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Plugin Alliance releases Vertigo VSM-3 Native

DanButsu

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Hoenerbr

Hoenerbr

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I feel like Cartman From South Park
I AM SO PISSED OFF AT YOU GUYS!!!

I just bought the VSM-3 and I had previously purchased the NSEQ2 at Premium price (Cause its so pretty)
Ok Ok I'll calm down now!
Sorry just had to get that off my chest.


DanButsu said:
PA has release the VSM-3 native. Check it out here

Vertigo VSM-3 - PLUGIN ALLIANCE

They also released new MAAG and Millennia plugs as well!
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Eddie TX

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The native VSM-3 price currently matches the UAD version (same goes for the Millennia NSEQ-2), but if history is any guide, PA will eventually put them on sale at a heavy discount. You might have to wait until the end of the year, though.

Note to self: any UAD plug developed by a third party may have a native version at some point. Wondering about this regarding the SHMC and a few others.

Cheers,
Eddie
 
Hoenerbr

Hoenerbr

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Yeah whats next our Engl's and Chandler? The SHMC? These are all special plugs that I thought would remain very special because they were only available on the UAD Platform. Its really going to make me think next time about a Brainworx Plugin Purchase!


Eddie TX said:
The native VSM-3 price currently matches the UAD version (same goes for the Millennia NSEQ-2), but if history is any guide, PA will eventually put them on sale at a heavy discount. You might have to wait until the end of the year, though.

Note to self: any UAD plug developed by a third party may have a native version at some point. Wondering about this regarding the SHMC and a few others.

Cheers,
Eddie
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Jperkinski

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I did some testing and I couldn't get the UAD and PA versions to null when using the same settings until I got to testing at 192k. No major surprise there, but I guess there is something to the UAD stuff processing at 192k regardless of your project sample rate. I guess whether or not it's better is subjective, but it certainly doesn't null until the PA version is in a 192k project.

They're fairly close but something in the very high end is different. I did find it interesting that even at 192k, the Plugin Alliance version rendered a 30 second stereo clip in about 4 seconds, compared to the UAD rendering in about 16 seconds.

I used Pro Tools 11 offline render for this very unscientific test.

I love the UAD stuff, but I've always felt that doing offline rendering of projects containing UAD plugins takes longer than it should. I have a very new UAD-2 Octo PCI card in an approved Sonnet thunderbolt chassis.

I think it's time UAD update the SHARC chips with something that can process faster.
 
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calimike

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Interesting, that must be why people sometimes find other ones don't null like brainworx EQ.

So I guess due to different sample rate conversion, UAD and native versions are never technically identical?
 
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calimike

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zvenx said:
Just out of curiosity jperkinski, why did you conclude that it is the UAD one that was superior till 192K and not the other way around?

rsp
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Would depend on the daw or conversion program used, right?

Btw it's awesome to have someone from Kingston here!
 
zvenx

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Hi, I realised he didnt' say superior. Must have been tired when I read it.
Jamaica to di werl :) Thanks.

rsp
 
Serenity

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Hoenerbr said:
Yeah whats next our Engl's and Chandler? The SHMC? These are all special plugs that I thought would remain very special because they were only available on the UAD Platform. Its really going to make me think next time about a Brainworx Plugin Purchase!
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Yeah, I was kinda surprised that they didn't release it on PA at the same time as on UAD. And was surprised again when I got the email from PA about the release.

I'm guessing that they had some kind of deal with UA. Either that they keep it exclusive on UAD for a set period of time or that if they don't sell X amount of copies within a set time they would be allowed to sell it through PA as well.

I think that if they intended to release the amp sims on PA they would have done it by now.
 
Serenity

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Jperkinski said:
They're fairly close but something in the very high end is different. I did find it interesting that even at 192k, the Plugin Alliance version rendered a 30 second stereo clip in about 4 seconds, compared to the UAD rendering in about 16 seconds.
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Yeah the slow rendering times is really a drawback of the UAD platform.

Not sure if I'd say the difference in upsampling is subjective really. I haven't heard anyone saying that upsampled processing sounds worse, especially not when it comes to distortion. But it's interesting that they don't do it in the native version. They could at least have an option for it.
 
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djstyleee

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I must admit I was really disappointed when reading that email. I like to keep my UAD PCIe cards for UAD exclusive plugins, and I have only recently purchased the VSM-3.
 
exoslime

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in such cases, it would be really great if you could get both for a reasonable price, the uad version and the native version. and you can choose if you want to use your uad-dsp or your internal cpu for it.

if you just plan to use this plugin in your daw its great thing that the native version is out now too,
(for those who have not purchased it yet), even on a huge sale (blackfriday,etc) the price might be as low as on the current deal that ua had offered to us with 3plugins for 3/399 (3/449).

i found that i really love to use the VSM-3 on the apollo on the way in on my axe fx and kemper tracks with some subtle distortion to fatten things up, and really commit to the sound, that way the uad-2 plugin comes really handy.
 
yabiss

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Hoenerbr said:
Yeah whats next our Engl's and Chandler? The SHMC? These are all special plugs that I thought would remain very special because they were only available on the UAD Platform. Its really going to make me think next time about a Brainworx Plugin Purchase!
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I can understand your feelings but it was obvious right from the start. This is a classic marketing operation. UAD just had a few months lead and voilà... And to increase the feeling it will remain exclusive, they simultaneously released the vertigo compressor on Plugin Alliance.
Look at the bright side, you'll save some CPU.
On the other hand, i know PA plugins are always hacked so it will be free for many and you had to pay hard earned bucks for it...:(
 
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djstyleee

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yabiss said:
On the other hand, i know PA plugins are always hacked so it will be free for many and you had to pay hard earned bucks for it...:(
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This is what came straight to mind, the plugin will simply lose its value.

I try not to think of these things anymore though, after many years ago buying the Waves Diamond for several thousand and a week later it was everywhere for free
 
exoslime

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tbh, in todays world, with total internet surveillance, i wouldnt even think of it downloading a cracked copy of a plugin or just a single song as mp3...its not anymore like 15-20 years ago
and i really wonder, does people still do this?

what i want to say is, if i like a plugin and think i need it, and i consider to purchase it.. i dont take it as a reference if there is a cracked version of it or not. because its simple not an option for me, still i think, some 14year old teenager will think different about that, but he wont purchase it anyway, so it doesnt really matter for me,
and what is the value?
for me the "my real" value is how does the plugin benefits to my workflow and my music, and the outcome, this is the only value that counts for me, and not a "fiscal" value, and then the next question, is this value worth the price for me and can i afford it?

also i think about each plugin purchase very thoroughly and i usually only buy them on sale or discounted prices, as in most cases i can wait until special offers, annual sales, black friday, etc
as today you can take it for granted that almost every plugin will get on a very good sale price sooner or later, i can be patient :)
 
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djstyleee

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exoslime said:
tbh, in todays world, with total internet surveillance, i wouldnt even think of it downloading a cracked copy of a plugin or just a single song as mp3...its not anymore like 15-20 years ago
and i really wonder, does people still do this?

what i want to say is, if i like a plugin and think i need it, and i consider to purchase it.. i dont take it as a reference if there is a cracked version of it or not. because its simple not an option for me, still i think, some 14year old teenager will think different about that, but he wont purchase it anyway, so it doesnt really matter for me,
and what is the value?
for me the "my real" value is how does the plugin benefits to my workflow and my music, and the outcome, this is the only value that counts for me, and not a "fiscal" value, and then the next question, is this value worth the price for me and can i afford it?

also i think about each plugin purchase very thoroughly and i usually only buy them on sale or discounted prices, as in most cases i can wait until special offers, annual sales, black friday, etc
as today you can take it for granted that almost every plugin will get on a very good sale price sooner or later, i can be patient :)
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Very good outlook on this, I think I will take note.
 
exoslime

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and i think the term "free" for a cracked version is not quite right.. i mean, its free if your are going to commit to a theft.. so its a crime.. If somebody goes through life with that point of view, suddenly really lots of things become free to take ;) if somebody wants to take a risk on that.. sure.. go for it, its their life.. but i wont

cheers!
 
Arionas

Arionas

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exoslime said:
tbh, in todays world, with total internet surveillance, i wouldnt even think of it downloading a cracked copy of a plugin or just a single song as mp3...its not anymore like 15-20 years ago
and i really wonder, does people still do this?

what i want to say is, if i like a plugin and think i need it, and i consider to purchase it.. i dont take it as a reference if there is a cracked version of it or not. because its simple not an option for me, still i think, some 14year old teenager will think different about that, but he wont purchase it anyway, so it doesnt really matter for me,
and what is the value?
for me the "my real" value is how does the plugin benefits to my workflow and my music, and the outcome, this is the only value that counts for me, and not a "fiscal" value, and then the next question, is this value worth the price for me and can i afford it?

also i think about each plugin purchase very thoroughly and i usually only buy them on sale or discounted prices, as in most cases i can wait until special offers, annual sales, black friday, etc
as today you can take it for granted that almost every plugin will get on a very good sale price sooner or later, i can be patient :)
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+1
Totally agreed
 
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yodah

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Yep, there WAS an advantage to having distinct plugins that were not hacked.... Sorry but they lose there value immediately to me. This is exactly the reason I don't use Waves for ANYTHING. Every home studio and a lot of larger ones have a hacked version of it, and PA with all of its plugs are the exact same way. I refuse to buy any more plugins for the UAD platform if it will just be ported over. Security was a major selling point in that if it was on the UAD platform, then you HAD to buy it......UAD better start coming up with some better ideas because once a lot of the most desired plugins are 3rd party and they get hacked on the Native side..... its no point in owning a 1000+ card. It amazes me still how some plugins are NEVER hacked, like the SLATE stuff, and others are always hacked...waves,pa, etc....
 
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