New UA Hardware - OX Amp
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moebiushaydn
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Looks really interesting!
cheerful hamster
Hamsterdamus
Well, they've had to deal with engineer analog purists for 15 years, now they get to deal with guitarist analog purists... 
[edit] There was hint on the Ox name here: http://uadforum.com/wants-wishes/19084-please-model-songbird-fs-1-cyclosonic-panner.html#post223121
[edit] There was hint on the Ox name here: http://uadforum.com/wants-wishes/19084-please-model-songbird-fs-1-cyclosonic-panner.html#post223121
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First reaction - I don't get why I would want this over a Kemper (which can do the entire signal chain) or a reactive load box and plugins for speaker IR's and processing. Guess I should probably spend more than 15 seconds looking at the product.
This might also explain why UAD won't give us an IR loader plugin. Maybe the Ox was under development and they didn't want to canabalize a product already in the pipeline?
Love UAD but not really understanding what problem this solves...
This might also explain why UAD won't give us an IR loader plugin. Maybe the Ox was under development and they didn't want to canabalize a product already in the pipeline?
Love UAD but not really understanding what problem this solves...
A Gruesome Discovery
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My 5150 and I are eager to find out how many watts this can handle.
Myramyd
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I for one am excited about this. I only wish it could come out sooner! It checks all the boxes for what I need it for. And yes, I do have a Kemper as well as my tube amps.
For one, you could also more easily make profiles for the Kemper with it and real amps if you wanted to.
For another, I can now easily plug in one of my tube amps into this and get a guitar sound going quickly. My Kemper is in a road case since I'm gigging and rehearsing at least once a week, so if I want to use it in the studio, I have to haul it up there and unpack it, then browse through a billion profiles to find what I'm looking for.
For guys with tube amps and a home studio, I think it's a great product to compete with the Two Notes stuff. Price point will be critical though. Where I think it could be a killer fit is in that sweet spot between a Suhr Reactive Load (no IR or anything other than just a DI box) and a Two Notes (lots of IR but way too expensive for what it does IMHO). I'm not seeing a price on this UA Ox yet, so that's my only worry.
J
For one, you could also more easily make profiles for the Kemper with it and real amps if you wanted to.
For another, I can now easily plug in one of my tube amps into this and get a guitar sound going quickly. My Kemper is in a road case since I'm gigging and rehearsing at least once a week, so if I want to use it in the studio, I have to haul it up there and unpack it, then browse through a billion profiles to find what I'm looking for.
For guys with tube amps and a home studio, I think it's a great product to compete with the Two Notes stuff. Price point will be critical though. Where I think it could be a killer fit is in that sweet spot between a Suhr Reactive Load (no IR or anything other than just a DI box) and a Two Notes (lots of IR but way too expensive for what it does IMHO). I'm not seeing a price on this UA Ox yet, so that's my only worry.
J
What interests me the most would be the dynamic speaker modeling and how well they get that down. I own a Fractal AXE-FX II and use it live and in the studio. There is quite a bit of speaker/power amp ineraction modeling in the AXE-FX and I wonder how UA does with this. It has always been the biggest difference maker to me between a real amp/cab and a modeller.
moraldecay31
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DrewMazurek
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Myramyd
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Damn--well so much for that idea! That's out of my budget! I was hoping for around $499 or so. It looks nice, but that is really high IMHO. I guess they are more going after the really expensive market that Two Notes occupies instead of the more reasonable area. Sad face...
Right now I use a cheap DI Box > Attenuator > Speaker Cab in the closet (just for the reactive load). Then that DI goes to an IR in my DAW. It does sound really good and good responsiveness. It's just not 100% quiet. Two Notes has a new reactive load box for around $229 that I will probably get to replace it. That's why I was hoping this was at least ballpark.
J
I am also waiting for the Captor but that is not an IR for cab emulation (I was just going to use it for the reactive load). I think they are thinking closer to the combination of a Suhr Reactive Load + Torpedo Cab which would be around $900 or so. I hope this at least paves the way towards an IR solution with the UAD apollo hardware (their move in to this space).
Myramyd
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Yeah, it would be nice to have a IR loader or cab sim for the Apollo since right now you have to go into the DAW and have the IR loaded after the preamps, etc. and sometimes it creates latency depending.
I planned to use the Captor as a load box only also. The cab sim in that might be nice for quick convenience sometimes in certain situations. But it's almost half the price of the Suhr, so that's the real bonus.
I think if the Ox were in that $499-699 price range they would sell a boat load of them. At $1299, it's as much as an Apollo Twin QUAD, which obviously has a lot more uses. It must be nicer than it appears.
Right now I use a Behringer DI box and the cab sim is actually usable if I just want to lay down some scratch tracks, so the Captor would just allow me to be silent. Otherwise I have a ton of IR's that are great. I was really hoping this Ox would be a nice versatile and affordable box to do some studio work with and be more streamlined than the process I'm using. At that price I could buy another tube amp head! I have Boogie, Marshall and Fender amps, so I could get a Vox AC30 head and a Captor and have money left over for that price!
J
You can use the cabs alone (40 or so IRs) with any of the Brainworx UAD plugins. Some of the Softube do too, including the one that's bundled with Apollos.
You just bypass the amps and there's the cab sim/IR.
I have a Kemper, Two Notes Torpedo and Suhr Reactive Load with Ownhammer IR's. Each of these fulfills a purpose, from full signal chain to hybrid tube amp + backend into a UAD Apollo. I honestly don't see how the OX competes against any of these for price/performance.
Of course we are all really speculating until it's released but I'm just not getting it.
Myramyd
Venerated Member
Yeah, if you didn't have any of those devices yet and this was about half the price--or at least cheaper than the Torpedo Live, then I think it would be a good thing to have. Those that already have loadboxes and the like won't see any reason to get one. I'm sure this will be a quality product, we will just have to see how it performs to know whether that price point is justified or not.
J
Myramyd
Venerated Member
You can use the cabs alone (40 or so IRs) with any of the Brainworx UAD plugins. Some of the Softube do too, including the one that's bundled with Apollos.
You just bypass the amps and there's the cab sim/IR.
I would have to try it and see how that sounds. I don't own any of them yet since I haven't seen the need. I liked the demos of the Fuchs amps the best. I've done that same thing with Amplitube before and it's okay, but not quite there. It's hard to compete with some of the Celestion and Ownhammer IR. Maybe this Ox will have a really great algorithm in it for cab/mic/room simulation that will have some merit to it.
J
Hoenerbr
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Yeah I'd love to hear it as well, but $1300 is a lot when I already have a Mesa Boogie Cab clone, which is not as versatile as the OX but it does the job for me in my Apartment!
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