Tracking in console 2 with Tape Machine inserted?

GuitarGene

Active Member
Hi all UAD users,

I am wondering something..............

I read somewhere that the Ampex ATR-102 Mastering Tape Recorder is not for use while tracking through Console to print to DAW. It is designed for use as a mix bus insert more.

Can the Studer A800 Multichannel Tape Recorder plugin be used to print to DAW? I researched all this and found answers online when I first got my UAD gear but can't find answers now.

I think Oxide is more or less the same as Studer in instance chart, I thought it might be a slimmed down version to allow multiple uses for printing to DAW on a record pass for a whole band for example where you could insert it on all channels for printing to DAW on record pass.

Any ideas ??

Thanks all in advance..............:D
 

max.n

Member
Hey,
I think it should be possible to use Oxide for Tracking. Here is an excerpt from the Manual:
"Oxide uses an internal upsampling technique to achieve sonic design goals. The upsampling results in a slightly larger latency than most other UAD plug-ins (55 samples at most sample rates). These additional samples are au- tomatically compensated by modern host DAWs. See the UAD Delay Com- pensation chapter for related information."
The Studer introduces a latency of 55 Samples @ 44.1KHz aswell.
The Ampex is not really suitable for tracking as it introduces quite some latency : 2262 samples @ 44.1KHz.

Hope I could help.
 

GuitarGene

Active Member
Thanks for input Max.

It looks like Oxide takes up about the same DSP resources as The Studer plugin but with a slimmed down feature set, bit like an 'LE - lite edition' version.

I already have the Studer and Ampex bundle.

Don't think the Oxide gives me anything new as such here.

I like to use some Tape emulation printing to DAW on all tracks, going through a tube pre first before interface then the tape plugin really adds flavour and warmth :)
 

max.n

Member
Yes, seems like the Studer is even lighter on the DSP. The chart states that you can use up to 40 mono instances with the Studer on a Quad vs. 36 instances of Oxide…
So unless you are super stoked about the sound of Oxide, it won't have any real advantages for you.
 

toddurban

Softube Product Presenter
I prefer to first track and then put the studer on each of my tracks. I find that way I can make my adjustments while hearing the entire mix. I will then print the studer to new tracks while keeping the original files in an "original" session. This frees up my DSP, but gives me more flexibility than the method you are considering by using console.

Pretty much the only thing I track through console are the guitar amps and the preamps in unison.

Hi all UAD users,

I am wondering something..............

I read somewhere that the Ampex ATR-102 Mastering Tape Recorder is not for use while tracking through Console to print to DAW. It is designed for use as a mix bus insert more.

Can the Studer A800 Multichannel Tape Recorder plugin be used to print to DAW? I researched all this and found answers online when I first got my UAD gear but can't find answers now.

I think Oxide is more or less the same as Studer in instance chart, I thought it might be a slimmed down version to allow multiple uses for printing to DAW on a record pass for a whole band for example where you could insert it on all channels for printing to DAW on record pass.

Any ideas ??

Thanks all in advance..............:D
 

Bear-Faced Cow

Hall of Fame Member
I track with the Studer all the time. I also don't mind throwing in a Unison channel strip, 1176 or LA-2A and Pultec on the chain where required.

I prefer to get my sound exactly as I want it going in. I'm very much old school when it comes to recording and to me, it sounds more like a song, rather than a collection of instrument tracks that I will have to turd polish later.

Also saves me some s DSP resources to get a bit more "creative" at mix down.

jord
 

GuitarGene

Active Member
Thanks for input guys.......

There are merits to both methods and I use both or a bit of each depending on the the sound source I'm working on.

A lot of the time I use a good quality signal isolated (transformer) splitter on important tracks so that I have a mirrored or 'ghost' take RAW and unprocessed should I decide to revert to a dry take. I do this with my hardware UA 6176 and use a similar function on a Fractal Audio Axe FX when tracking guitars to record dry and processed to two different tracks, leaves re-amping option there. I just make the ghost track inactive and hide from view unless I need it later but it is nice to know its there.

I started working in tape studios years ago and like you Bear faced cow, I try to get a good take first what with mic positioning and experimenting. It can save time in the long run getting good sounding individual takes down, the mix kinda falls in to place easier that way too I find.

As they say there is no right or wrong and no two sessions the same I guess, what works on one may be the very wrong thing on the next but it's all part of the fun:)
 
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