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    New mac book pros:not good

    They failed to get Consumer Report's recommendation due to very poor battery life performance of only a few hours. The crown is definetly slipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kcatthedog View Post
    They failed to get Consumer Report's recommendation due to very poor battery life performance of only a few hours. The crown is definetly slipping.
    Plug it in... do you use your laptops battery for 12 hours during a session? No one does! I'm not backing Apple's position here, just putting things into perspective.... just plug it in unless you're an environmental sampling engineer, but even then any laptop will give you minimal time for any serious work using it's battery.


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    Obviously you can plug it in but I don't think that is the point.

    The report that I read indicated that not only does the battery performance vary significantly in all three tested brand new machines from only a few hours to 10-14 or so but it was so inconsistent that they decided to report the minimum so as not to mislead consumers.

    The CR perspective is always comparative explicitly or implicitly, to like devices , so the new MPB battery performance is atypical for a mac and against its competitors.

    My 2012 mbp i7 with upgraded ram and 2 ssd's (I installed myself) is bullet proof, guess I will be hanging on to it for a while

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kcatthedog View Post
    Obviously you can plug it in but I don't think that is the point.

    The report that I read indicated that not only does the battery performance vary significantly in all three tested brand new machines from only a few hours to 10-14 or so but it was so inconsistent that they decided to report the minimum so as not to mislead consumers.

    The CR perspective is always comparative explicitly or implicitly, to like devices , so the new MPB battery performance is atypical for a mac and against its competitors.

    My 2012 mbp i7 with upgraded ram and 2 ssd's (I installed myself) is bullet proof, guess I will be hanging on to it for a while
    But I'm sure you plug it in while doing serious work right?
    YES.
    Batteries loose their capacity over time anyway... I don't know, I only use my MB when I'm out and about and I still just plug it in regardless of anything I've read from CR or any place else. The new machines are better all the way around especially for graphics people who need the better display.
    You have to put all these things into account on power consumption and nothing is going to give you the tech without a tax somewhere so I just plug it in when doing anything mission critical.
    To each is own.
    People driving Ferraris don't bitch about the gas they consume.
    Performance costs!


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    People buy laptops for mobility and these are brand new units. If the first charge is 12-14 hours and the 2nd is 4 hours, a drop of that magnitude has nothing to do with performance and everything to do with poor design and or execution.

    As long as the consumer knows then they can take an informed decision, but it seems like apple largely missed an opportunity to significantly improve that actual performance of the new mbp with more ram and faster more powerful cpu.

    These aren't significantly better than my 4 year old mbp.
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    New mac book pros:not good

    Quote Originally Posted by Kcatthedog View Post
    People buy laptops for mobility and these are brand new units. If the first charge is 12-14 hours and the 2nd is 4 hours, a drop of that magnitude has nothing to do with performance and everything to do with poor design and or execution.

    As long as the consumer knows then they can take an informed decision, but it seems like apple largely missed an opportunity to significantly improve that actual performance of the new mbp with more ram and faster more powerful cpu.

    These aren't significantly better than my 4 year old mbp.
    Are you field recording on your MB that there isn't a power source? Even then there's D.C. Converters for autos.
    Your going to have to charge it eventually whether it's an hour earlier or not.
    All battery life specs are subjective to what your doing... if your running a DAW you're better off just plugging in!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NEWRIGEL View Post
    Are you field recording on your MB that there isn't a power source? Even then there's D.C. Converters for autos.
    Your going to have to charge it eventually whether it's an hour earlier or not.
    All battery life specs are subjective to what your doing... if your running a DAW you're better off just plugging in!
    No one is arguing that the laptop can be plugged in.

    The point is what length of battery charge should be expected of a lap top of this quality/expense ? Consumer reports obviously thought the new MBP performance inadequate so no recommendation.

    I was not discussing workflows/work arounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NEWRIGEL View Post
    Are you field recording on your MB that there isn't a power source? Even then there's D.C. Converters for autos.
    Your going to have to charge it eventually whether it's an hour earlier or not.
    All battery life specs are subjective to what your doing... if your running a DAW you're better off just plugging in!
    You're digging pretty hard to get there and defend a flawed design. You're not really Tim Cook, are you?

    There are more than battery issues with these new MBPs. They definitely need to work out some glitches with them. And the touch bar, while interesting, is kind of "out there", at least IMHO.
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    I think Kcatt's point is, Apple's quality control on the Macs is slipping. That seems to be Consumer Reports' point.

    My wife, who does not use audio software on her Mac (rMBP, 13-inch with an i5 CPU) always uses the battery for power. She expects it to have good battery life. In contrast, I almost always use my Mac (rMBP, 15.5 inch, with an i7 CPU) plugged into power. For audio use, I have disabled all of its power-saving features.

    John and Janie Q Public expect good battery life from a new Mac so they can use the Mac in a meeting, in the classroom, in Starbucks, on the couch at home, all on battery power.

    Newrigel is right in that folks doing pro audio (or video), shouldn't expect to use their Macs running on battery power, but we are a tiny minority among Mac users.

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    Not sure why everyone is jumping on the "bashing Apple" bandwagon. I see this everywhere, and I get it. The thing is, with any given laptop or tablet, etc., I bet I can kill the battery much faster depending on the program(s) I'm running. While I don't like the direction Cook is taking the company, I still get work and music done on all my Apple systems, every single day. The integration is still top tier for my work.

    I suffered on the windows platform for years. I can't tell you how many times I had to reformat / rebuild my Dad's machine or my kid's machines due to component failure or viruses. Aside from a dead video card, all my Apple systems are still running to this day. I know Cook is behind the 8 ball on the technology. The fact is, in this techno world, everyone eventually catches up by playing off the other. But, I can tell you this, and I know Mac's now get malware too....but....since I switched in 2006, I've never had that problem. I told everyone I was going Apple and they were on their own with their windows machines...and never looked back. My productivity at work went up. My business became better integrated. Everything really did "just work". And yes, the first 11 years of my business was on PC's, and the problems were enormous and every other OS dating back to Win3.1 was a POS. I hated dealing with the registry. It was all too much. Going Mac meant more $$$, but it paid off in longevity.

    I avoid Windows like the plague and only run emulated Win7 when absolutely necessary inside my Mac. I'm dabbling in Linux and like the feel. I guess the bottom line is, most systems these days are so powerful compared to my first crappy Apple IIC (which I programmed a lunar lander on during undergrad physics so it wasn't THAT crappy), that I don't worry about a compromise in performance too much. I do worry about peripherals and integration, but at this point, I'm fine with what I have for both recording and work for the next 5 years. I know Windows improved and I think Win7 was a stellar achievement. I just hate the company and the products / integration I suffered using for so many years, that they lost my business. Win OS = $150 bucks or more, give or take and typically is/was a piece of crap. Mac OS = Free.

    I'm with NEWRIGEL on this, I plug in my laptop. I have an older mac laptop (2011) and it still gives me all the horsepower I need. I use it for both work and scientific calculations. Does it bog down when I run a 100,000 ray calc in EASE with 8 different sound sources on a model with 1200 faces? YEP, but I can kill ANY laptop battery damn quick doing that. I doubt I'll get the new MacbookPros, but I have read that many people love the touch bar integration. I wish them all the best and hope it serves their needs. I know, you can't write on the screen on a Mac. Personally, I like writing on my iPad and despise that the screen is literally covered with fingerprints after limited use.

    So...to each his own and YMMV. Does it really matter? If you don't like someone's product, don't use it or buy it. The truth is, we need all these companies to thrive so the technology progresses. Would it be a better scenario if Apple collapses and our choices are limited? I don't think so, but the Apple bashers would probably love it, at least initially. I could bash Microsoft all day...seriously....if I sat here and wrote a list...it would be extreme. Yet, if I had to, I could make do easy with any platform. I prefer Mac. I like the feel. They don't crash on me and rarely have I had to do an OS reinstall. With Jobs gone, I may have a different perspective over the next 5 years. Honestly, it's all personal choice.

    For the record, love my iPad and can kill that battery too a lot quicker using some apps versus others. And one last thing, and I'll shut up. Interestingly enough, I had two noise control jobs I did a few years back, one in a battery plant and one in an outdoor motor plant. In both cases, the foreman's laughed because at the motor plant he said all the old timers always bicker on who has the better motor, Johnson or Evinrude? He showed me where they were manufacturing the exact same motors, sending them to two parts of his plant, painting them different colors with different decals, and sending them off to be put on boats for guys to sit around and boast on which was better. Same with the batteries. The manufacturer was making them for several different manufacturers and shipping them off with different packaging, yet they were the same battery. You can believe me or not, I saw it. Again, YMMV.

    Cheers and Merry Xmas... And Kcat...don't take offense to any of this, you are aces in my book and invaluable on these forums. We all have opinions and mine came after four cups of coffee. I get everyone's frustration with Apple and I sure wish Steve Cook was 1/2 the leader Steve Jobs was.

    Jed
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