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Thread: Any interest in a 1073 Unison vs Hardware Shootout?

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    I say unison is B... it has a very clear attack that is not proprietary of vintage analog devices... but they all sound good... well done UA!

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    D was the only one that really stood out to me. Instant favorite!
    The order of preference for me would be the alphabetic order backwards, so D>C>B>A. It's nearly a tie between A and B for me, but B has a bit more definition and focus to my ears.

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    Hey Matt, just wanted to thank you for doing all of this.

    The results surprised me. I thought the Unison one was the Vintage, and the Vintage was the Unison Lol. I actually prefrerred the Unison 1073's sound.
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    Really i look forward for more shootouts... it just feels great to have access to this iconic tone at such a price... between my fractal audio AX8 and my Apollo twin I'm in tone and recording heaven.
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    I just wanted to say, B was my least favorite, sad to find it was the SPOILER EDIT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UniversalAudio View Post
    Great job on this, Matt! Thank you so much for doing it!

    I'm working on a similar test with some of the files we recorded at Blackbird a couple of weeks ago. I'll share those as well when I have some time to sort through and prepare them.

    We were using a rack with 8 1073s and what became clear from that experiment is that the unit-to-unit differences were larger than the Unison-to-hardware differences. Same thing with the API preamps and EQ. We also added 1176s and LA-2As to the signal chains to make it more interesting/realistic and they were equally impressive.

    I look forward to sharing them with you guys!

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    Hey UAD, How does the plug in compare to the actual hardware unit that was used to model the plug in? I'd imagine you guys did blind testing right? It would be cool if you guys could post files for a shootout with the actual hardware that was used to model the plug in.

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    I re listened to the shootout and wanted to make an observation I didn't think of before. Keep in mind I always do my shootout guessing blind. (close my eyes and solo/mute then open my eyes to see if I guessed correctly, if that makes sense). So first, something thing to keep in mind: The Unison unit is based on what I imagine to be a vintage yet well calibrated and taken care of unit (maybe even a reference unit). While the hardware 1073 in this shootout is vintage, I doubt it was kept in the same condition and and had the same maintenance as the one UAD used. I say this because UAD has always used reference units( gold standard units) ,like the oceanways fairchild unit, to model their plug ins to ensure accuracy and consistency in the plug in when compared to other units of the same model. This, as you will see, has it's advantages and disadvantages but specifically in this shootout we don't consider the condition of the two units. A vintage u87 that's been kept in a mic locker for year (with occasional use) will not sound the same as a u87 that's been rented out for years and has had only minimal maintenance work done. Likewise in this shootout we need to consider this factor (or hypothesis) when listening. I think the results are consistent with my hypothesis. In my listening I noticed that the heritage was actually thicker than the vintage neve but had more midrange and highs than the vintage as well. While the thickness difference is probably due to a transformer difference, the mids make perfect sense given that the heritage is a new unit. As we all know, older units tend to loose some of their edge over the years. Still, the heritage is definitely a 1073. Now when I compared the heritage to the UNISON plug I noticed the unison wasn't as bright and midrangey as the heritage. Heritage still had more weight than the unison. When I compared the UNISON to the vintage unit, the vintage unit had less highs/mids but had the same weight. Pretty much sounded exactly the same except for the midrange and highs. Let me say this first before I continue. I am not saying they were different in high/midrange character. All units had the same tonality. I am saying in terms of how much highs, mids etc. Anyway. This makes perfect sense given my hypothesis. You see the UAD plug is modeled after a well maintained vintage unit (such is UAD's standards for modeling) compared to a not as well taken care of vintage unit (though i'm not saying it's a bad condition one either) yet the unison is still not in the same ball park in terms of condition compared to a brand new heritage 73 unit. So it only makes sense that the unison 1073 would be slightly brighter than the hardware vintage unit, all while still not being as bright as the new 73 heritage unit.

    Honestly tho I like the heritage more than all of these. It's like a 1073 on steroids but I am seriously blown away by UAD on this plug. Even if my hypothesis is wrong (which may be the case since I am assuming the condition of matts vintage unit based on my and others experience with them). It so damn close to the unit that In a mix you might as well just say you are using the real thing. In my opinion of course.

    Could you weigh in on this MATT?

    P.S. I really didn't care for the 1073LB. Too thin sounding.
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    I just listened to the acoustic guitar and liked B the most, then followed by D and C. I was glad to see the results!

    It would be very interesting to do this signal splitting test with 3 unison preamps and the stock Apollo pres. I don't yet own an Apollo as i need some features that they don't yet provide, like eq on the master and more than four que sends.

    But i might just buy a twin and use it as an external preamp and satellite box.

    Thanks for taking the time and do this!

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