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    Quote Originally Posted by Kcatthedog View Post
    I completely get the great guitar/amp "tone" holy grail thing, but I'll settle for a decent sounding mix that engages the listener in my song.

    I'll post another clip in a bit: same song, just developed the arrangement (option click regions in logic) and worked the mix a bit (Soundtoys decapitator) a little to taste on all tracks.

    https://soundcloud.com/kcatthedog/new-song-3
    The trick is you're fine, the tone is cool as it's in a mix, you'd have to be really weird - like most of us - to realise it's a sim, that is the truth. It's when playing clean that's when you notice the sim is a sim. But you've a nice tone. Yea I love that Ampeg head, LOVE it! The UAD one I'm talking about is fantastic. I use it all the time lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kcatthedog View Post
    I completely get the great guitar/amp "tone" holy grail thing, but I'll settle for a decent sounding mix that engages the listener in my song.

    I'll post another clip in a bit: same song, just developed the arrangement (option click regions in logic) and worked the mix a bit (Soundtoys decapitator) a little to taste on all tracks.

    https://soundcloud.com/kcatthedog/new-song-3
    0:37 you can hear the character there alright!!!! You wouldn't know. In the mix no way. I suppose that's what matters. But boy wouldn't it be a wonder to get a Cab IR Loader by UAD so you could use some IR's from Fractal or Ownhammer? Sheesh man the tones would be endless!!!! Forget the chains. Those packs are amazing man! Truly amazing.

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    I also really looked forward to the Fender but was dissapointed. I saw that in all the presentation videos and other reviews they play semi professional D***rock, which is far away from what I'm playing. I play more minichords on the first E B G strings and appegios, more like Counting Crows and such. They do in all videos of all amplifiers so I missed a demo where they played more like my sound and style. I eventually tried the sim amp but never found my sound and went back to Marshall Plexi which I still use. It's perfect. Maybe in the near future they will introduce a Fender Bassman, I had one 20 years ago, and that might be the sound I'm looking for. Untill then I'm using the Plexi and it's perfect.

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    I'd say it's the best amp sim I've heard to date. Truely a good job. I agree if you don't like the sound, you probably wouldn't like the real amp.
    And finally, cabinet/mic emulation that doesn't suck! Put a 421 on it off Axis, and it sounds like a 421 off axis.
    The brainworx Marshall head section is great, but the speaker/mic sampling just says 'plugin' instantly with the familiar IR response FFT comb filtered shitness.
    Same with the other brainworx amps, take them out of the appolo into a real cab and they're great, but use the built in mics and its straight to plugin land.
    Now UAD has to do a couple of other models with whatever modelling technique they used for that goes its a game changer IMO.

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    I demo'ed it this weekend on a session where the artist I was working with wanted to add some clean electric arpeggios - I definitely needed to dial back the gain from the default settings and I also found for the guitar we were using (my Gibson L6-S) much more ribbon and less dynamic in the mic mix sounded better and switching around the speakers also helped to get a sense of what was possible re:tone shaping. All that said, after a couple minutes of tweaking I got a clean tone I was happy with that had just a touch of snarl if hit hard - and I really thought I could hear that distinctive fender sweetness coming through. I don't have a deluxe to compare it to, but I think it shares some of that chimey quality I can get from my Princeton silverface. I dug it. Not sure I would buy it for $200 though - but if there is a deal on it at some point I'll def consider it.
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    I'm in demo with It.. sincerely i'm dubious about sims.. no One for me sounds like a true amp in my experience.. but i Want to give a chance.. my question is where to put the plug in the Signal path ? In the insert section or in the input of the DAW? I'm not an Apollo owner.. my setup is : Fender stratocaster blackie > Avalon m5 > lynx Aurora converters

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    headphones and monitors = lousy sounding amp sims

    I can hear amp sims "trying" to sound like what they emulate but the sound that comes out of my headphones and monitor speakers is pretty much always lame. It does not sound much like a guitar or bass amp due to being played through small speakers. I have AKG and Shure headphones and they generally sound perfectly good for most uses.

    I suppose I could run the sound back into a guitar or bass amp and see what that sounds like - probably better due to coming out of a guitar/bass speaker which is made for instruments not overall sound reproduction.

    Does anyone have tips on how to get amp sims to sound much better in headphones?
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    I checked it out last night finally, not really feeling it... I'll keep using my DeVille...
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    One thing to remember is that UA have modelled the sound of the amp with no room ambience, directly into presumably a transparent preamp and top shelf converters.

    Don't expect it to sound like playing your amp in a room. Put a SM57 in front of your amp in a dead space into a clean preamp and play it back in your DAW without any processing and listen.

    Don't expect it to sound like your favourite record straight out of the plugin either.
    You now have the option to add room ambience (maybe Ocean Way?), preamp/console color, compression, eq, tape saturation AFTER the plugin.
    I'm very happy they've done this as a lot of other amp sims are hyping the sound (EQing the cab impulses, trying[failing] to add ambience or 'air', adding extra compression, delay etc) to either wow customers or because they think it makes life easier for us.
    This way we have more control of the final sound.
    A nice approximation of what happens between guitar->record would be Guitar->Amp/mics->Room(s)->Preamp->Tape->Console->Compression->down to Tape again.
    If you're stocked up on UAD Fender->Ocean Way->1073->Studer->1072/88RS->1176->Ampex, otherwise replace with what you got handy.


    Another tip is gain structure. This is pre-master volume knob era. Valve amps without master volume get freaking loud very quickly anywhere past 1. To the point where small volume adjustments in the clean range require the tiniest touch with a steady hand.
    UA typically choose authenticity rather than hype, the scale of the volume knob has not been altered for to make it 'more usable in modern environment"
    If you want a nice vintage clean tone, use the area between 1 and 2, and crack the Mic/Master Levels.

    Try this, turn the Fender volumes down to zero, crank both mics and the master up to 3 o'clock, and then crack your monitors up to LOUD to simulate how loud this would be sitting next to you.
    Now very carefully ease up the volume up in the 1-2 range until you find the sweet spot. Better?
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    Indeed. I've quite liked the Tweed into OWS.
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