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Thread: Is it just me or does UAD's Fender '55 Tweed Deluxe suck?

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    Moving to the higher sample rates eliminated the undesirable distortion artifacts that required significantly lowering the volume pot on the guitar to get a clean sound.
    No need. Between 1-2 on the Amp, make up the gain with the mic/master levels. To reiterate, this kind of amp would behave like this in the wild. If you want clean without turning you guitar vol pot down, you've got between 1-2 maybe 3 before breakup.

    I think where UA have messed up a little here is with the presets. All their presets have too high volume settings on the amp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TijuanaKez View Post
    No need. Between 1-2 on the Amp, make up the gain with the mic/master levels. To reiterate, this kind of amp would behave like this in the wild. If you want clean without turning you guitar vol pot down, you've got between 1-2 maybe 3 before breakup.

    I think where UA have messed up a little here is with the presets. All their presets have too high volume settings on the amp.
    Almost a theme with the UAD amp sims - you really need to turn the input gain down and make up digital gains. I really like them including the marshals using this. I think a lot have been turned off by them including the Fender because they don't aggressively turn down the inputs. UAD needs to be heavy handed with instruction on that so they dont get rash negative judgements.
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    Toward the end of my demo right now. At first I didn't really like what I was hearing because I hate farty low end. But after playing with it for a few days I'm really loving it!
    Turning it down is a good start.
    It also really helps putting it thru a mix as it seems to sit really well rather than just fiddling with it alone with the guitar.
    Wonderful for late night when my tubes are cold!

    I do wish I could run the AKG reverb on the same strip however....
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    OK time to chime in. I've played a real 55 Tweed, ex Billy Gibbons ownership apparently. It was plug and play and it was easy to get a sound out of it. The UAD Tweed, you have to really mess with it, and I spent two hours last night, comparing to my own Fender amp in the studio, and Scuffham amp sim. The Scuffham is easier to use, you plug in, turn it up and instant Fender tone...(or close to, not quite but ...). The UAD Tweed, you'd have to turn the guitar down and experiment. I got some tones I'd record with but it is too much searching/testing - so much so I would say using a real amp/mic is actually quicker and more gratifying. Not so with the Neve1073 or 88RS for bass, it is literally plug in, turn it up and you get a pro sound that betters my Alembic/Demeter preamps. I appreciate they modelled all the interactions etc in the Tweed, but I think they need to model the 'idiot proof, plug in and get instant gratification from a Fender' experience.

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    I bought it. Very useful and sounds great.
    I like the way it reacts with different pickups also.
    Nice job UA!
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    Quote Originally Posted by synaesthesiachronicles View Post
    OK time to chime in. I've played a real 55 Tweed, ex Billy Gibbons ownership apparently. It was plug and play and it was easy to get a sound out of it. The UAD Tweed, you have to really mess with it, and I spent two hours last night, comparing to my own Fender amp in the studio, and Scuffham amp sim. The Scuffham is easier to use, you plug in, turn it up and instant Fender tone...(or close to, not quite but ...). The UAD Tweed, you'd have to turn the guitar down and experiment. I got some tones I'd record with but it is too much searching/testing - so much so
    Could it be that the amp you tried was modded? The original Tweed Deluxe has a very low clean headroom and it's standard to have to lower the volume of the guitar for clean sounds on those amps.
    I don't know what you mean by "Fender sound" to be honest, they have made so vastly different sounding amps. The Tweed Deluxe and Twin Reverb are miles apart for example. I think the latter is probably what most people would refer to as the "Fender sound". But it's no surprise that you have difficulty getting that out of a Tweed Deluxe.

    One of the things I like about the UAD Tweed is that it actually is "idiot proof". You can treat it just like the amp and it will react just like it. Compared to the Softube Marshalls which you need to carefully dial in or you'll end up with a mess.
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    Hello, i am new to this forum and i don't have any experience with UAD plugins at all. I have bought a new Apollo Twin MKII Quad to use it live with my guitar. Tried Fender '55 and it took all the DSP power so i could not use any other plugin on guitar channel. The plan was to use Neve 1073 as a preamp and Echoplex after the amp but i am not able to use anything else with Fender 55. Is it normal for this plugin? When i was choosing between versions of new Twins, i thought that if i buy QUAD, i won't meet that problem at all but it looks like Apollo Twin Quad cannot use all it's DSP power for one channel, and all thes DSP's are pretty useless in my case as a guitarist and Apollo Twin SOLO could do this job exactly the same as QUAD. Or am i doing something wrong?

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    Run the Fender emulation as a Unison plug in, and run the rest via an AUX channel. I haven't tried, but you might be able to run a second unison channel for the Neve and feed one unison channel into another...

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    Wow, glad to see the resurgence of this thread.

    I have been thinking about this for a few months now. I've demoed the Fender plug several times and I have tried to like it, I just can't. It doesn't sound GOOD.

    Then it hit me. The correlation between guitar pedals and say, an Apollo twin. Not sure why it hadn't entirely occurred to me until now, I mean I know lots of current guitar pedals use SHARC DSP.
    Anyway, I was watching a video for a new Strymon "Sunset" pedal, in which they describe the tech used as being a discrete class-A JFET input stage with 20db of gain, into a SHARC dsp chip.
    Ring a bell?

    Now, google that pedal and listen to the tones in the video. Compare those tones (just ballpark) to the ones coming out of the Fender Tweed plugin. I'm sorry, no comparison. The Strymon sounds pretty damn good. The UA Tweed 55' always adds this fizzy nasty nasal distortion ON TOP of the sound, rather than the distortion being infused into the notes. Its distracting listening to the Fender emulation to be honest.

    The question I'm now pondering is why? Clearly I'm missing something, right? I mean the tech is extremely similar is it not?

    Don't get me wrong, I LOVE UA. I swear by this company to every audiophile, producer, mixer, that I come in contact with, and can't live without specific UA plugs in every session I create.
    But this particular plugin? I have to agree, its just not "the stuff".

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    Oh Come on, you don't have to be such a fanboy. I have lots of amps, and more through the years, have been recording electric guitar for more than 30 years, so I know what I hear. it has a useable sound, the range is not that wide, the distortion is not as sweet as Fender tweeds I have used for sure, and it needs a LOT of tweaking. The point about a good fender is it is plug and play for most situations, clean, chunk, and sometimes scream.

    I do like that with Unison it feels like you are playing through an amp, there is no latency, but in terms of a plug in, yes, I think it's OK, but i wish there was more to it. But with Unison, yes, it smacks the competition for feel. I found a sound and setting I would use, it involves using the Helios EQ and some clever gain staging and I'm happy with it. It was the same problem I had with the Marshall JMP 1 all those years ago, put an EQ to it and it would fix it. But with the Boogie amps I could get a tone quickly y'know?

    It would be nice to get a Boogie or something more complex in Unison. I've tried to like the Engls but don't. I can see a use for them as I can see a use for the nastiest fuzz box I have encountered. You always find a use. I would use the Tweed plug in, but I would rather mic my amps if I had access to them.

    My wishlist:

    Demeter or Alembic bass preamp in Unison. The Ampegs are OK but they do what they do and they don't do what a clean bass preamp does.


    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Could it be that the amp you tried was modded? The original Tweed Deluxe has a very low clean headroom and it's standard to have to lower the volume of the guitar for clean sounds on those amps.
    I don't know what you mean by "Fender sound" to be honest, they have made so vastly different sounding amps. The Tweed Deluxe and Twin Reverb are miles apart for example. I think the latter is probably what most people would refer to as the "Fender sound". But it's no surprise that you have difficulty getting that out of a Tweed Deluxe.

    One of the things I like about the UAD Tweed is that it actually is "idiot proof". You can treat it just like the amp and it will react just like it. Compared to the Softube Marshalls which you need to carefully dial in or you'll end up with a mess.
    Last edited by synaesthesiachronicles; 14th March 2017 at 12:00 PM.

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