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    Is it just me or does UAD's Fender '55 Tweed Deluxe suck?

    Compared to the Marshall stuff that softube did for UAD (which is in my opinion the best sim on the market) the fender was a complete dud. It's like someone had a crap guitar sim with a mix knob set to 50%. I can still hear the thin nasally DI sound of the guitar through this plug in. With the marshal sims you wouldn't have guess it was a sim. The break up on the fender is over exaggerated and sounds very 2D (I really hate that generic description but it is fitting in this case). UAD bragged about how much went into this amp but i've honestly have heard better simulations from guitar rig 3. I really hope they don't screw up the deluxe reverb or twin like they did this tweed. I think they should partner up with softube for their next release.

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    Its actually an excellent emmulation of the real thing. It's the real thing sound that you don't like then. I'm waiting on a super reverb or blackface twin or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthewrayrgv View Post
    Compared to the Marshall stuff that softube did for UAD (which is in my opinion the best sim on the market) the fender was a complete dud. It's like someone had a crap guitar sim with a mix knob set to 50%. I can still hear the thin nasally DI sound of the guitar through this plug in. With the marshal sims you wouldn't have guess it was a sim. The break up on the fender is over exaggerated and sounds very 2D (I really hate that generic description but it is fitting in this case). UAD bragged about how much went into this amp but i've honestly have heard better simulations from guitar rig 3. I really hope they don't screw up the deluxe reverb or twin like they did this tweed. I think they should partner up with softube for their next release.
    It just goes to show you that all of this is purely subjective. I find your conclusions 180 degrees out of phase with mine. I'm really liking the UAD Chandler sim - and I find the rest of BW or ST offerings to fall way short of Amplitude 4. Ultimately, whatever works for you is the right choice. Thank god for demos!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chime13 View Post
    It just goes to show you that all of this is purely subjective. I find your conclusions 180 degrees out of phase with mine. I'm really liking the UAD Chandler sim - and I find the rest of BW or ST offerings to fall way short of Amplitude 4. Ultimately, whatever works for you is the right choice. Thank god for demos!
    It certainly is subjective. I happen to love the UA Fender Tweed but I didn't at first. I had to dig in and not be afraid to lower the input volume to almost off to get a clean tone. Its also nice to bring the input volume up and back off the guitar volume until its clean. Then you can control the clean to dirty with your guitars volume control. Its really very nice. I have all the Amplitube amps including Amplitube 4. The Red Pig and the Silver are so good I'm not buying the Silver Jubilee. Its hard to properly compare the UA Amp Sims with Amplitube because in Amplitube you have all the effects, cabs and stereo return in the patches. I guess to properly compare them I'd have to turn off all the effects and Room mics and monitor in Mono, but at that point its like Yucky! I know but I couldn't think of a better word. I wish the Console in Apollo would allow a stereo return for the Amp Sims without eating up an Aux return!
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    The new Tweed sim is pretty rad. I hate sims, but this is the first one Ive heard that really impressed me. Immediate buy. Very useful.

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    Same here: having a very good experience recording my new tune with the Tweed. When you can recognize the guitar sounds of certain artists and or records in the presets, I'd say thats " close enough for rock and roll "
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    For clean tones I think it's ok. Beyond those, I don't like the sound of it.
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    It may not be you or the plugin, it might be the amp. I'm new (8 months) to UAD but old (very) to guitar and recording and my first impression of the Tweed plugin was similar to my reaction to the Ocean Way plugin: they sound so close to reality that they remind me of what I didn't like back in 1971 about either of the real-world examples. I recorded two albums in the early 70's (my own band and a large multi-ensemble project which was the first 24 track album recorded in LA). These were recorded at United/Western (now Ocean Way I believe) using all of the rooms. I recall that Studio B had prototype models of the Westlake Audio "wooden horn" monitors. The Ocean Way plugin (which I love) reminded me of what a high end suck the big room was. My amps for those sessions were a 100W Plexi for my band and a 58 Bassman for the large project. During my years in LA I found the recorded sound of Deluxes (tweed or blackface) to be kind of "small" especially when overdriven. Just like the UAD 55 Tweed plugin is sounding to me so far.
    HOWEVER, I love the 55 Tweed sound in the demo video that Josh Smith gets. My plugin never sounds that good. Anyone know what the settings were? I noticed that the better-sounding factory Tweed channel strip presets use a lot of extra plugins after the Tweed inserted first in Unison mode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chime13 View Post
    It just goes to show you that all of this is purely subjective. I find your conclusions 180 degrees out of phase with mine. I'm really liking the UAD Chandler sim
    Chandler was my first amp plugin choice also. Second was the Plexi, I could almost smell the tubes and hear the clank of the standby switch...

    I have been using "D-Style" (don't know if Howard is still deploying his strike helicopters) amps (Fuchs, Brown Note, Ethos, ZenDrive, etc.) for a few years now so in the absence of a UAD "D-Style" option I inserted a TS808 in front of a Chandler model and got pretty close. I purchased the 55 Tweed plugin for the clean tones (works well with my archtop) but the clean Plexi and Jubilee tones work well. I won't be bringing a Plexi to the jazz lounge gig, however... D-Style plugins would be my next UAD plugin purchase. If Roland can clone them via a Robben Ford Blues Cube firmware chip maybe UAD can cut a deal with any of the other active D-Style guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matthewrayrgv View Post
    Compared to the Marshall stuff that softube did for UAD (which is in my opinion the best sim on the market) the fender was a complete dud. It's like someone had a crap guitar sim with a mix knob set to 50%. I can still hear the thin nasally DI sound of the guitar through this plug in. With the marshal sims you wouldn't have guess it was a sim. The break up on the fender is over exaggerated and sounds very 2D (I really hate that generic description but it is fitting in this case). UAD bragged about how much went into this amp but i've honestly have heard better simulations from guitar rig 3. I really hope they don't screw up the deluxe reverb or twin like they did this tweed. I think they should partner up with softube for their next release.
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