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    Help needed!! Console and Logic Pro X 10.2.4

    Evening all

    Having a bit of an issue and I suspect it's entirely down to my lack of knowledge and incorrect set up so I come humbly to the Oracle to seek enlightenment.

    I've got my Apollo set up and Console work happily to record into Logic and at the moment it's doing that side of things as well as I want it to (there's be more to explore there I'm sure but for now, all is good).

    My problem is this.
    I want to session some IR's in an IR loader and also some in Two Notes Wall of Sound. Trouble is the only audio I'm hearing is in Console its not the output from the DAW. I can hear the DAW if I turn Software monitoring back on but the latency is just unbearable. Trouble is there is no output from the active channel stip in Logic into the master output. The signal is there and the meters on the channel strip are lit up and it records exceptionally well but I can't monitor the sound in from the DAW without recording first and then playing back.

    Is there some way around this some routing option I've not got right or something I'm not doing or should have done.

    Any help greatly appreciated.

    Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by neuk01642 View Post
    Evening all

    Having a bit of an issue and I suspect it's entirely down to my lack of knowledge and incorrect set up so I come humbly to the Oracle to seek enlightenment.

    I've got my Apollo set up and Console work happily to record into Logic and at the moment it's doing that side of things as well as I want it to (there's be more to explore there I'm sure but for now, all is good).

    My problem is this.
    I want to session some IR's in an IR loader and also some in Two Notes Wall of Sound. Trouble is the only audio I'm hearing is in Console its not the output from the DAW. I can hear the DAW if I turn Software monitoring back on but the latency is just unbearable. Trouble is there is no output from the active channel stip in Logic into the master output. The signal is there and the meters on the channel strip are lit up and it records exceptionally well but I can't monitor the sound in from the DAW without recording first and then playing back.

    Is there some way around this some routing option I've not got right or something I'm not doing or should have done.

    Any help greatly appreciated.

    Matt
    Hello,

    I do this all the time and I use Logic to monitor so I can hear the IR. I don't get any latency this way. In fact, I recorded about 8 tracks of guitars last night this way.

    If you have latency, there are usually two sources:

    #1 - Buffer settings. If your computer can handle it, I recommend 32 or 64 samples while recording. Switch it back to 1024 for mixing (after all recording is done)

    #2 - Plugins that cause latency. While recording, you don't want to have any plugins that introduce latency on any channel in the session or it will cause this for you. These are usually compressors, limiters, pitch, or any UA plugins. If you are on Logic X 10.3, you can hover over each plugin in the mix window with your mouse and it will say if there is any latency caused by that plugin and how much. Example: a UA 1176 typically causes about 29ms or so.

    Space Designer (which I use for IR) does not cause any latency, but I don't know if the Two Notes plugin does. Logic will tell you if you hover over it.

    So you have two ways to solve it.

    #1 - Take out any and all plugins that cause latency while you are recording.

    #2 - If you don't want to take out those plugins, you have to turn on Low Latency Mode while recording, adjust it accordingly until you get the latency or lack thereof you desire.

    That's the rundown. Let us know how it works out.

    J
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    Hi, Matt,

    You'll want to use the IRs after the fact (only on playback tracks). Relying on native latency isn't going to make anyone happy.

    Here's how processing is working. The red is the part you hear. Blue is the part you don't because you have monitoring off.
    Input->Console (where all your sound is coming from)->buffers->DAW track->DAW plugins->playback buss->buffers->DAW output

    When you turn on input monitoring you're hearing the input buffers, daw plugins, playback buss, output buffers, then finally the DAW output.

    Just use Apollo as the Oracle intended—monitor or record through UAD for tracking. IRs on mixdown.

    If you need an interim, just use one of the Brainworx amps with the amp disabled. It's an IR plugin with 40 plus cabs and mics. It can be used for just monitoring, if you'd like.
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    What is IR?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Hepworth View Post
    Hi, Matt,

    You'll want to use the IRs after the fact (only on playback tracks). Relying on native latency isn't going to make anyone happy.

    Here's how processing is working. The red is the part you hear. Blue is the part you don't because you have monitoring off.
    Input->Console (where all your sound is coming from)->buffers->DAW track->DAW plugins->playback buss->buffers->DAW output

    When you turn on input monitoring you're hearing the input buffers, daw plugins, playback buss, output buffers, then finally the DAW output.

    Just use Apollo as the Oracle intended—monitor or record through UAD for tracking. IRs on mixdown.

    If you need an interim, just use one of the Brainworx amps with the amp disabled. It's an IR plugin with 40 plus cabs and mics. It can be used for just monitoring, if you'd like.
    Sorry Matt, but I'm able to monitor through Logic using IR's in realtime with no latency (it's about 1.5ms). I do it all the time. I never use Console to monitor. Don't need to. I see a lot of people saying it's not possible on this board all the time, but I literally do it every day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Royv View Post
    What is IR?


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    Impulse Response

    Usually used for either Reverbs or in this case, guitar speaker cabinets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myramyd View Post
    Hello,

    I do this all the time and I use Logic to monitor so I can hear the IR. I don't get any latency this way. In fact, I recorded about 8 tracks of guitars last night this way.

    If you have latency, there are usually two sources:

    #1 - Buffer settings. If your computer can handle it, I recommend 32 or 64 samples while recording. Switch it back to 1024 for mixing (after all recording is done)

    #2 - Plugins that cause latency. While recording, you don't want to have any plugins that introduce latency on any channel in the session or it will cause this for you. These are usually compressors, limiters, pitch, or any UA plugins. If you are on Logic X 10.3, you can hover over each plugin in the mix window with your mouse and it will say if there is any latency caused by that plugin and how much. Example: a UA 1176 typically causes about 29ms or so.

    Space Designer (which I use for IR) does not cause any latency, but I don't know if the Two Notes plugin does. Logic will tell you if you hover over it.

    So you have two ways to solve it.

    #1 - Take out any and all plugins that cause latency while you are recording.

    #2 - If you don't want to take out those plugins, you have to turn on Low Latency Mode while recording, adjust it accordingly until you get the latency or lack thereof you desire.

    That's the rundown. Let us know how it works out.

    J
    Thanks for the insight man. It's a faff but tweaking the buffer work as a temporary solution so I could session some IR's. Good to know for future reference.

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    Thanks Matt.
    I know in an ideal world that works but I'm setting up patches on my Helix (yeah, sorry all you really amp heads... I'd love to but no space and no cash for the amps I'd want), so i want to be able to load up IR's to hear how they sound without loading them onto the Helix first. Can the Brainwork amps do that as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myramyd View Post
    Sorry Matt, but I'm able to monitor through Logic using IR's in realtime with no latency (it's about 1.5ms). I do it all the time. I never use Console to monitor. Don't need to. I see a lot of people saying it's not possible on this board all the time, but I literally do it every day!

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    I have no doubt you're able to comfortably monitor, but the 1.5ms isn't a possible RTL. I'm sure it's just your input latency. Or are you running at 192kHz?

    Everyone has different sensitivity to latency. I am also able to be okay using software monitoring for some things like a DI guitar, but ~4.5ms is the RTL at 44.1 with Apollo and a buffer of 32.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neuk01642 View Post
    Thanks Matt.
    I know in an ideal world that works but I'm setting up patches on my Helix (yeah, sorry all you really amp heads... I'd love to but no space and no cash for the amps I'd want), so i want to be able to load up IR's to hear how they sound without loading them onto the Helix first. Can the Brainwork amps do that as well?
    Maybe I'm not exactly sure what you mean, sorry. If your Helix is plugged into your Apollo you can use the Brainworx plugin with amp portion disabled and it's just an IR package. Yes, you can use it in real-time with Apollo to audition different cabinets. I've even used off a power soak with real heads.

    The Savage 120 may be easiest to use, since it gives you info about the recording chain as well.
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