1073 v.s. 1073SE

[Arys Chien]

I finally got time to do some tests to clear up some doubts in my head.

What's the difference between the UAD-1 Neve 1073 plug-in and the 1073SE?

To me it's in the high frequency area. When I first listened to them, the 1073SE sounds brighter than the 1073; yet while listening more carefully, I noticed that the extra brightness of the 1073SE made it sound \"fake\", \"artificially silky\".

The 1073 is therefore smoother in the high end than the SE version.

p.s.: The above is what I found in my own test. Other opinions are welcome.

 

[Ashermusic]

Once again, true but IMHO to a lesser degree than you perceive it to be.

 

[Mark Edmonds]

Actually, I don't think one is better than the other. I tend to think of the difference as grit so it is whether you want that grit, rasp or husk or not.

However, we are talking a very slight difference IMO, a difference that I find I need a few passes to locate accurately.

Mark

 

[ambrose]

do you guys keep finding that when you boost the high shelf on either eq, you need to take down the 4k area by a similiar, yet oposite amount?

Is this what people normally do to avoid the 'far reaching' effects of that shelf? Doing this makes its own signature sound on the audio, too.

thanks!

a.

 

[Plec]

Depends on the source.. but sometimes yes!

 

[BTLG]

I just find myself cutting the 360 hz instead of boosting the 12 k at all.

The 12 K shelf does something I don't like to the low end (in respect to the high end)

 

[cAPSLOCK]

grit, rasp or husk
Mark

Whee. I like these. I like them so much more than the current crop of audio foof words like glue, sheen, and musical.

Perhaps it is time for a shift. Like we went from transparent, analog, and warm to the above... now perhaps it is time to start using these words on all the forums instead.

How long till we see audio equipment in the stores that claim on the box to have "that special husk for your mixes"?

8)

cAPS

 

[BTLG]

add that to the fact that no two hardware 1073's sound alike anyway and you've got a deal!

 

[ambrose]

the 1073 certainly adds a level of husk i've never experienced from a plugin before.

 

[BTLG]

don't forget that 'orange' sound that it adds!

 

[svs95]

The 1073 has some fairydust in the high shelf, and it can resonate very nicely in the mid (if the track or mix NEEDS that, which it often doesn't). In fact, when boosting at 1kHz I don't know of ANYTHING that can do that in a nicer way.

90+% of the time, if I reach for a 1073 it's to add some nice air to the top end. The low end doesn't float my boat at all. But that's just because it's the 1073. It is what it is.

I wish UA would have broken some rules and given us more frequency choices. I fully expect somebody to capitalize on that weakness before long.

The SE, lacking the magic highs, isn't on my go-to list at all.


svs95

 

[BTLG]

The extra bands would make them 1081's. (which would be way more beneficial to have)

However I'm sure UA is thinking \"Mo Money Mo Money Mo Money!\"

 

[svs95]

The extra bands would make them 1081's. (which would be way more beneficial to have)

However I'm sure UA is thinking "Mo Money Mo Money Mo Money!"

Well, whatever they're thinking, I wish they'd do it!

svs95

 

[Akis]

The extra bands would make them 1081's. (which would be way more beneficial to have)

However I'm sure UA is thinking "Mo Money Mo Money Mo Money!"

AFAIK, the extra bands would make it a 1084, which is not as catchy a name as 1073. :wink:

The 1081 has a different sound.

 

[BTLG]

Ah yes, the 1084. The mic pre from the 1073 which everyone likes mixed with the EQ's from the 1081 that everyone likes. I'm not sure why those didn't catch one.

What also sound great are the 1064's.

We had a pair of OLD school 1081's (pre-AMS) which were great however sold them recently, now we're down to 48 AMS reissue 1081's (which isn't such a bad deal).

 

[Mark Edmonds]

grit, rasp or husk
Mark

Whee. I like these. I like them so much more than the current crop of audio foof words like glue, sheen, and musical.

Perhaps it is time for a shift. Like we went from transparent, analog, and warm to the above... now perhaps it is time to start using these words on all the forums instead.

How long till we see audio equipment in the stores that claim on the box to have "that special husk for your mixes"?

8)

cAPS

I was noodling with the 1073 on some vocal stuff and those were the words that sprang to mind. I often think of sound in terms of wood and wood related materials. Wood is amazing stuff

Please, continue to spread the use of husk, rasp etc in your local musical community

Mark

 

[Dan Duskin]

the added brightness you hear in the SE version is digital quantization and aliasing artifacts. as much as i hate these artifacts, sometimes they can add what sounds like a crisp-digital-attack to close-miked-drum-tracks.

for me...
1073SE = closed miked drums (except for cymbals), kick, snare, toms
1073 = overheads, room mic's, hi-hat mic, and anything else you like the sounds of the 1073 on

 

[Arys Chien]

Thanks Dan. Never thought about it. I'll try it. 8)

 

[svs95]

the added brightness you hear in the SE version is digital quantization and aliasing artifacts. as much as i hate these artifacts, sometimes they can add what sounds like a crisp-digital-attack to close-miked-drum-tracks.

Dan, I like your ideas about where the two versions sound best. But, just FYI, I'm pretty sure the 1073 doesn't alias. I can't make it do that with a 96kHz 20Hz-40kHz sweep file, looking at a spectrum view, with Range and Gain for analysis maxed out.

Not the 1176SE does alias quite noticeably, and the 33609SE does a little. But the 1073SE is clean as a whistle in that department. I think the difference is attributable to less accurate analog filter (model) behavior at lower sampling rates, which is the whole reason for the upsampling in the full version.


svs95

 

[Dan Duskin]

I'm pretty sure the 1073 doesn't alias. I can't make it do that with a 96kHz 20Hz-40kHz sweep file, looking at a spectrum view, with Range and Gain for analysis maxed out.

Interesting. I guess it is the analog modeling then. The 1073SE sounds a bit harsher (almost unnoticble though).

I'm not sure why the 1176SE aliases so noticeably. I'll see what I can find out about that.

That makes a lot of sense... the 1176SE sounds a bit cold and digital.