makinghits
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can't wait to pay 2k for the 1073
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$250 for space echo? kiss my butt
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Dan Duskin
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Doublehelix
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The response is pretty simple, \"Don't buy it\". Nobody is putting a gun to your head, right?
Personally, I think it is a reasonable price considering the amount of work that has had to go into this (tape emulation, etc.), plus the licencing fees that are being paid to Roland/Boss.
You are lucky you don't own a Powercore card and have to pay for some of those plugs.
How much is one of the URS EQs? $250 native?
And don't even get me started on TDM plugs that run on the digi hardware. Now *that* is craziness!!!
I just think we are all spolied by the low prices that UA has been charging for their plugs in the past, and now we are all experiencing sticker shock when we see what they are having to charge when they have to pay royalties to someone else (in this case Roland, later, AMS/Neve).
As someone else mentioned in another thread around here somewhere, that is about the going price of a decent Space Echo on Ebay right now, and you only get one, along with all of the problems that go with an old, beatup, tape-based device.
With the UA version, you get multiple instances, and zero maintenance issues! HEAVEN!!!
You are obviously entitled to your opinion, and I respect that, I am just trying to bring some perspective to your post.
Personally, I think it is a reasonable price considering the amount of work that has had to go into this (tape emulation, etc.), plus the licencing fees that are being paid to Roland/Boss.
You are lucky you don't own a Powercore card and have to pay for some of those plugs.
How much is one of the URS EQs? $250 native?
And don't even get me started on TDM plugs that run on the digi hardware. Now *that* is craziness!!!
I just think we are all spolied by the low prices that UA has been charging for their plugs in the past, and now we are all experiencing sticker shock when we see what they are having to charge when they have to pay royalties to someone else (in this case Roland, later, AMS/Neve).
As someone else mentioned in another thread around here somewhere, that is about the going price of a decent Space Echo on Ebay right now, and you only get one, along with all of the problems that go with an old, beatup, tape-based device.
With the UA version, you get multiple instances, and zero maintenance issues! HEAVEN!!!
You are obviously entitled to your opinion, and I respect that, I am just trying to bring some perspective to your post.
Rusty James
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If that Echo is as good as I hope it is I'll be VERY, VERY happy
to spend that money :wink: 8)
to spend that money :wink: 8)
baronluigi
Active Member
My guess is that if you are a loyal customer (own some hardware and all the uad software released to date, maybe even a couple of uad cards or so) you're gonna get a coupon.
guessing of course.
UA seems to know how to \"take care\" of their loyal customer base.
guessing of course.
UA seems to know how to \"take care\" of their loyal customer base.
Yes, besides the price which could have been lower (in my desire) the problem is it's heavy on resources (you can run 2 per card: this means NOTHING else at the same time... aargh!). Yes we can freeze, bla bla bla...
As I've already said, at least let's hope it really sounds like the original units
As I've already said, at least let's hope it really sounds like the original units
Tony Ostinato
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Before you factor the cost of \"the real thing\" let me respectively add in the cost of maintenance. Not 5 miles from here is a shelf of broken space echo's.
I remember times where i wouldve paid someone to change the tape cause i didnt feel like dropping everything.
so we sure agree on the convenience, but its an order in magnitude more reliable and hey its a plug, which is always nice.
its also an historical marker in physical modeling technology.
I remember times where i wouldve paid someone to change the tape cause i didnt feel like dropping everything.
so we sure agree on the convenience, but its an order in magnitude more reliable and hey its a plug, which is always nice.
its also an historical marker in physical modeling technology.
Tony Ostinato
Active Member
its a unit with more unique behaviors than anything theyve modeled so far, i mean everyone who has used one will know if theyve nailed the very detailed modeling that must be nescessary.
so far nothing has even gotten into the ballpark of sounding like a real tape echo, let alone behaving like one when you wang it around.
itll really expose how much state of the art modeling techniques can currently do.
so far nothing has even gotten into the ballpark of sounding like a real tape echo, let alone behaving like one when you wang it around.
itll really expose how much state of the art modeling techniques can currently do.
Mark Edmonds
Active Member
Yes, and with 50% of one card being used, there is a heck of a lot of modelling going on! This is going to be very very interesting.
I wonder how much card RAM it will take?
Mark
I wonder how much card RAM it will take?
Mark
Like alot of us, I'm going to wait and see what others have to say. I've liked the other Roland additions, but not enough to buy them. $250 for a single effect?....I'm starting to reach for my belt buckle
Let me put it this way: I've been needing some effects. Been considering Camel Audio's. You can buy their whole bundle of Camel Phat, Camel Space, and even get the Cameleon 5000 for $300US. This is an example of good deal imo. Just because it has Roland's name on the product doesn't motivate me to buy.
My 2c
Raaen
Let me put it this way: I've been needing some effects. Been considering Camel Audio's. You can buy their whole bundle of Camel Phat, Camel Space, and even get the Cameleon 5000 for $300US. This is an example of good deal imo. Just because it has Roland's name on the product doesn't motivate me to buy.
My 2c
Raaen
Eric Dahlberg
Purveyor of musical dreams fullfilled.
AFAIK, it's not in beta testing yet. You can use that as a gauge of the release schedule.olafmol said:what makes you say this? Are you beta-testing the unit already? if so, spill some more beans
I own the bundle. CamelSpace is a great idea machine but what makes it great is how all the effects work together, the actual quality of the individual effects isn't anything noteworthy. Similarly, I'd rate the quality of CamelPhat's actual filter as one of the lower available. What's your definition of value?
[quote="Eric Dahlberg
I own the bundle. CamelSpace is a great idea machine but what makes it great is how all the effects work together, the actual quality of the individual effects isn't anything noteworthy. Similarly, I'd rate the quality of CamelPhat's actual filter as one of the lower available. What's your definition of value?[/quote]
Well, I don't own them so I can't comment on how they stack up to similar products. Like I mentioned, I like the other UAD-Roland products, but not enough to buy them. Guess like most users, I'm looking for the greatest 'bang-for-the-buck'. For $250 it should really kick ass to justify the purchase....time will tell.
Definition of value? Mmmm, though not really a definition, I would suppose it would be based on need...how much do I really need this particular product. How useful is it going to be? It's an individual thing. For me I have various tape delays that I really don't use all that much. So my need and justification to part with that kind of doe doesn't exist (not that UAD-Roland couldn't create that need :!: ). But what I consider of value, is not the same for others. You might have a great use for the plug, so the purchase could be easily justified.
Raaen
I own the bundle. CamelSpace is a great idea machine but what makes it great is how all the effects work together, the actual quality of the individual effects isn't anything noteworthy. Similarly, I'd rate the quality of CamelPhat's actual filter as one of the lower available. What's your definition of value?[/quote]
Well, I don't own them so I can't comment on how they stack up to similar products. Like I mentioned, I like the other UAD-Roland products, but not enough to buy them. Guess like most users, I'm looking for the greatest 'bang-for-the-buck'. For $250 it should really kick ass to justify the purchase....time will tell.
Definition of value? Mmmm, though not really a definition, I would suppose it would be based on need...how much do I really need this particular product. How useful is it going to be? It's an individual thing. For me I have various tape delays that I really don't use all that much. So my need and justification to part with that kind of doe doesn't exist (not that UAD-Roland couldn't create that need :!: ). But what I consider of value, is not the same for others. You might have a great use for the plug, so the purchase could be easily justified.
Raaen
I just found out that TC-Helicon's newest plugin for the PowerCore will be $745.
Kind of puts things in perspective if you ask me.
I'm sure the $245 pricetag will keep some people from buying it, but in the end that's what choice is for. The AMS-Neve plugins will probably be much more expensive. I can picture the hateposts allready from people threatning to sell their cards, throw them out from a moving airplane, put out a death warrant on all the people who work at Universal Audio and what have you.
Kind of puts things in perspective if you ask me.
I'm sure the $245 pricetag will keep some people from buying it, but in the end that's what choice is for. The AMS-Neve plugins will probably be much more expensive. I can picture the hateposts allready from people threatning to sell their cards, throw them out from a moving airplane, put out a death warrant on all the people who work at Universal Audio and what have you.
Do you mean you have several real tape delay units? Or, that you have several software echo plugs. Because basically the VST echo plugs are terrible. The ones that claim to be "tape" echo are a total joke. What they are is noisy echo. There is really no way to compare the existing plug to the Space Echo yet. If it works as a tape emulation unit, it will be worth every dime you have spent on your UADs all by itself.Raaen said:
If you have hardware that you don't use that is most likely because
A) it's too damn much of a pain in the ass to hook up. In this case the money may indeed be well spent if you actually want a decent tape echo.
B) You don't like/use/need echo that much. In this case the cost is irrelevant. $20 -> $2000000000000000000....... is all the same since you just don't need it.
Also, if you have "various" hardware units, that implies "more than one"...which means you have blown far more than $250 on tape echos alone. Actually, the only two decent tape echos available currently are both around $1,000ish.
ok, and my point there is....Raaen said:
1) If the emulation is another POS (Piece of Sxxx) echo like all the other VST echos, don't worry about the $250
2) If the echo and tape emulation are F'n brilliant, then $250 is chump change for what the unit will allow.
Of course #2 would require that you actually want to use echo or tape saturation/emulation. If not then see #1.
So, value here has the potential to be strong. The fact that they are using so much of the cards processor gives me hope that it will be a tape unit worth using. However, it may be just that because the memory footprint for a long delay is big enough to limit the # of plugs that can be used. Or, some combination of the two.
In any event, saying that "I already have a bunch of crappy VST echo plugs I don't use" doesn't address the possible value of this one. And I am totally with the idea of it being useless if the tape emulation sucks monkey balls.