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33609 - one thread to rule them all ....

Trebor Flow 2

Established Member
As comments on the Neve 33609 are spread about on many different threads - I thought it would be great if everyone could give a quick thumbs UP or thumbs DOWN for our new plugin.

NO REFERENCE TO IT'S PRICE

I'll start it of.

To be honest the 33609 was never my favourite compressor and although UA have done a great modelling job, to me a 33609 does not a great bus compressor make. It's too thick and stoddgy in a 70's way. OK for piano but then I'm struggling!

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Trebor
 

rickstrand

New Member
I Love: The sound. Outstanding emulation.
I Hate: That I only got two cards....

As a bus compressor: More \"colloured\" than Waves SSL emu.
 
I hate: The meter shows only both compression and limiting, no chance to see how much the limiter is compressing when the compressor is used also.
I love: sound, compression character
 

Trebor Flow 2

Established Member
Only 2 people heard the demo ?

Come on what do the \"usual suspects think\"

I really want to gauge everyones reaction - becasue this time I think UA modelled the \"wrong\" bus compressor.

Trebor
 
G

Guest

Guest
I think its ok. doesnt give that pancake sound on a mix. i wont be buying it though.
 

Mark Edmonds

Active Member
Trebor Flow 2 said:
Only 2 people heard the demo ?
I think you can safely assume that more than 2 people have used the demo. Perhaps they don't want to repeat what they have already said elsewhere just to flesh out your self-centred thread?

I really want to gauge everyones reaction - becasue this time I think UA modelled the "wrong" bus compressor.

Trebor
There is plenty of reaction already available on this and other forums.

And what exactly do you think you will achieve? Are you expecting UA suddenly to withdraw the 33609 and plough their resources into bus compressor "x" because Mr. Flow thinks their choice of 33609 is wrong? Or what? A pretty redundant thread if you ask me which is why it has had so few replies and my only contribution is negative.

Mark
 
I think the plugin rocks! It just takes too much processing to use during normal mixing for me at present :( The SE version isn't as punchy to me. I will be adding a new card or 2, but I was hoping to up the sample rate with these, not just run a new plugin.
I think the debate whether or not UA modeled the wrong plug is moot. They modeled this one this time! Maybe they will model one you love in the near future ;) I know people that swear by SSL and hate Neve, and people who swear by neve and hate SSL. But the bottom line is, it all comes down to preference as they are both great consoles.
 

jwnc

Member
I like this on drum busses and on some master bus mixes but not all of them. I cant seem to get the same punch sometimes on some mixes as I can with other plug ins. I think because we cant seem to control the comp/limiting as much as I want to. I have to put it post fader so I can make it where I can have precise control over the amount of threshold, etc. I think this is a great sounding plug in but you have to pick your sources and settings very carefully or it can get alittle mushy...

Jason
 

BTLG

Established Member
Not too impressed. Tried it out on some drums, and it didn't really do anything for me that made it worth the DSP usage. I want to spend some more time with it, but for now I can't see myself buying it. I'm also not sure that ANY plug-in compressor technology is far enough advanced that I'd want to strap it across my master buss in lieu of a decent peice of hardware. It just never sounds 'big enough' mastered in the box.

Don't get me wrong, the 33609 sounds good.... but I personally just don't find it as useful as the other, less power sucking emulations/plug-ins. Then again, I just may need to play with it a little bit more before I fall in love with it.


Matt
 

ballzar

Member
It sounds ok. The full version sounds much better than the SE,
but eats so much CPU it is impossible to use unless you have 3
cards. I tried replacing the multiband limiter with the Neve
on the master bus of a couple of my mixes and no go. I have
2 UAD-1s and was running 10 or so other plugs. Sucks more CPU than
Nigel. Soundwise, it's got a character. Wouldnt want a heavy dose of it.
 

Suntower

Established Member
I may have fools-golden ears but...

1. The SE does -not- sound just like the regular. It's -noticeable- in a way that the 1073 ain't. IOW: You need the full boat in order to get the benefit.

2. But since I've 'only' got 2 cards in my main DAW, I tried SE on a drum buss. And then I A/Bd it with EX-1, trying to get the sound as close as
possible.

And ya know what? You can get pretty darned close with EX-1. Seriously. Closer than you might think. Which means to me...
1. As I've often thought (thanks Dan Duskin) EX1 is -very- cool!

2. Methinks the Emperor's looking fer new wardrobe.

Maybe the 'real' 33609' -is- the shiznit, but it's simply impractical for me. Think about it: For all intents and purposes, it takes up a WHOLE FRICKIN' CARD! So for me with 2 cards?
$400 x 2 for cards
$250 for Neve

/ 2

= $525 per instance.

WHAT A VALUE!

---JC
 

wishingwell

Active Member
Normandyrocks said:
I think the plugin rocks! It just takes too much processing to use during normal mixing for me at present :( The SE version isn't as punchy to me. I will be adding a new card or 2, but I was hoping to up the sample rate with these, not just run a new plugin.
I think the debate whether or not UA modeled the wrong plug is moot. They modeled this one this time! Maybe they will model one you love in the near future ;) I know people that swear by SSL and hate Neve, and people who swear by neve and hate SSL. But the bottom line is, it all comes down to preference as they are both great consoles.
I echo these sentiments. I love the 33609, i know some don't like it cause its rich and thick but that's the reason i love it. I wanted something different then what i already have, and this 33609 is it. Nothing glues quite like it, nothing i've heard. Although the character is strong it can be controlled to some degree wich is what i like as well. I'm glad UA did'nt model SSL, There's enough SSL on the market with waves, duende, and marquis, bringing the Neve flavor is bringing diversity and more options into digital world.
I have marquis,fairchild,compadre, La2a and countless others that are all very different, i don't want similarity i want true diversity and this new Neve 33609 is just what the doctor ordered. When set right it's character is'nt obtrusive at all on many different songs, ofcourse it is'nt right for alot of material but that wich it is right for it makes shine. This baby has a rich but very natural sounding compression, handles every sound in my mix well and in a natural way. I love it, and think UA's name is going to be magnified even greater from this new monster.I don't think i can whip out my credit card fast enough for this, although UA just released it it should've been bought last year :D ...
 

RWIL

Established Member
wishingwell said:
...i know some don't like it cause its rich and thick but that's the reason i love it. I wanted something different then what i already have, and this 33609 is it.

That's mostly where I am now using the 33609. I finally got it yesterday using my voucher/coupon. Curiously, and since classical guitar is the instrument for which I'm the most sensitive for any tonal characteristics, and also because at first I had never think to use that kind of compressor for music featuring exclusively this instrument, it's when I performed tests on a trio class. guitars mix that all of his beauty and strength raise over any plugs on hands, and later to be able to hear in a better way these qualities using differents stuffs. I like either the SE since it add (or keep) a little grit in the higher range which could be also very usefull.

RW
 

BTLG

Established Member
this may be something for another thread but:

speaking of diversity, whatever happened to consistency? has it disappeared with the digital age of modern consumerism?

you know.... the \"I need THIS mic with THIS pre on THIS instrument.......\" mentality. It seems people have forgotten that all those great records were mostly made using whatever was around whatever room you happened to book for a project.

thoughts?
 

RWIL

Established Member
BTLG said:
you know.... the "I need THIS mic with THIS pre on THIS instrument......." mentality. It seems people have forgotten that all those great records were mostly made using whatever was around whatever room you happened to book for a project.

thoughts?

«Dark side of the moon».
Give me the room
Give me all the stuff there they was using
No problemo since there are «whatever»!

RW
 

Trebor Flow 2

Established Member
Mark Edmonds said:
[quote="Trebor Flow 2":1eudwmim]Only 2 people heard the demo ?
I think you can safely assume that more than 2 people have used the demo. Perhaps they don't want to repeat what they have already said elsewhere just to flesh out your self-centred thread?

I really want to gauge everyones reaction - becasue this time I think UA modelled the "wrong" bus compressor.

Trebor
There is plenty of reaction already available on this and other forums.

And what exactly do you think you will achieve? Are you expecting UA suddenly to withdraw the 33609 and plough their resources into bus compressor "x" because Mr. Flow thinks their choice of 33609 is wrong? Or what? A pretty redundant thread if you ask me which is why it has had so few replies and my only contribution is negative.

Mark[/quote:1eudwmim]

That's nice. :(

Anyway - thanks to everyone else for the great replies - it's fun to see what everyone else is thinking in the UAD community.

Trebor :D
 

Eric Dahlberg

Purveyor of musical dreams fullfilled.
Trebor Flow 2 said:
It's too thick and stoddgy in a 70's way.
Whether others are into that particular kind of sound or not is a completely subjective thing but I think we can all agree the 33609 arguably has more character than most (if not all) of the software compressors out there.
 

jwnc

Member
Just for kicks I loaded the Neve and the PSP audio Mastercomp & T-racks and tried to duplicate the sound of the Neve and got it so close that I could not tell the difference. Maybe this is good or bad.. but I think the Neve sounds incredible but I was suprised on how close I could get it. It was exact but it was close enough that I liked the sound just as well.

The Neve can reach a THD of almost 30% which is incredible and probably is why it has that beautiful colored sound.. among other things.

Jason

PS I could tell difference between them but not as much as I though I would.
 

T-Dogg

Active Member
jwnc said:
The Neve can reach a THD of almost 30% which is incredible and probably is why it has that beautiful colored sound.. among other things.

Jason
Yes... Incredibly sh!tty!!! I'm thinkin a true measured spec of 30% THD would prove a pretty unlistenable experience on program material... At that point, you could just strap a tube screamer across the mixbus and be done with it...

I see what you're gettin at though, no doubt the units unique distortion characteristics give it "a sound"...
 

Trebor Flow 2

Established Member
I am digging the 33609 for piano - but I am hoping that in the same way UA did the P Limiter and EQ and MBC as generic units, that UA will do a generic G384 type bus compressor.

I know they can't call it an SSL as they don't have the license, Waves do, but they would make a brilliant job of it (if the 33609) is anything to go by and I'm sure we would have a bus comp much better suited to the job than the 33609.

Hope, is generally thought of as a good thing :)

Trebor
 
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