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88RS' 'big console sound'

Macc

Established Member
Sorry, it's a long one :oops:

Well, it's been a couple of months or so since the initial positively rabid reaction to the release of the Neve 88RS channel strip :lol: I was admittedly as rabid as anyone, and I don't mind admitting it :D At first, I was impressed by the ease of use, the workflow, the fact there was a pretty nice eq and a useful decent compressor for only a couple of % of 3 cards, etc etc. I did notice that it had a slight effect on the sound, and did null tests and so on to verify this, blah blah. Mainly it was the overall usefulness of it that sold me.

However, now I have been using it a while it's suddenly become really obvious to me what an extremely positive effect it has had on my overall sound. I'm working on an album (breakbeat/dnb/old crusty samples, not aggressive synths!) and got the 88 a few tunes into making it. I've managed to finish a few more tunes since then (finally :roll: ) and mix a couple of much older tunes again to update them. What's come to light is a certain magic 'something' where I can actually explicitly hear whether or not I have used the 88, and if I have, that I have used the right amount of them in a tune. It has a tiny little effect that adds up to a big effect. It just gives a feeling of pure class, there's no getting away from it. The mixes I did before still sound great, but are just missing 'that' sound. I'm going to go back and simply drop a few 88's doing nothing in the right places, to bring them into line without changing the mix, and I just know it will work.

There's a few adjectives that spring to mind - fat, creamy, smooth, blah blah... but it's just BIG, it really is. I've worked on some pretty good desks, but the majority of my outboard experience is with a d8b, and I'd take the 88RS over the d8b's channels+inserts every time, no question. It's blown me away all over again without me even realising it. It's the kind of subtly cumulative effect you don't notice until you listen to the mixes you did right before you got it and think 'what's missing?'.

I probably could have put this in an old thread, but I wanted more to focus on what people who have been battering it for a while thought.

Anyone else have feelings like this about the 88RS? :D
 

necho

Member
hmmmm - that's exactly what I'm after really... I'm having a lot of fun with the La2a, 1176LN and Pultec, but what I really want is a \"go-to\" plugin that is flexible, DSP efficient and adds a sheen to the mix... Thing is, my tunes often consist of up to 40 tracks, and I know I'd run out of DSP juice very quickly if I started using the 88RS... need to get another card...
 

secretworld

Active Member
Aaaaah you will cost me $200 (with the $100 coupon I have....).
 

LFranco

Venerated Member
I love everything about the 88RS and it's on all my mix projects from the day I got it, since a week or so after it was released.

I was in the middle of mixing an album when it was released, so originally, I had said to myself that I was going to wait until that project was done, which would have been about a month or so after the 88RS dropped, but I couldn't wait to try it out and in the end, tried it on the next mix I did for this project. I really liked what I heard and used it on all my sub mixes; I like the fact that it does something nice to the sound without having to do a lot with it, but the real test for me was to send the new mix to my clients (who never ask what I'm using, they usually either like something or they don't).

I FTP'd the new mix to my clients and got a call the following day, saying \"This mix sounds awesome, the vocals sound really smooth we love it!\" and I think it was a few minutes after that, that I found myself paying for the 88RS - eeeeasy decision. I went back and used it on the previous mixes and gave my clients the option of mastering the new mixes (with the 88RS) and the older mixes that didn't have it and on all of them, they went with the new mixes.

Don't nobody EVER say anything bad about UA - they got beef with me if they do! LOL
 

electro77

Venerated Member
I still dont understand what magic 88RS could be doing when everyone seems to agree how neutral and clean it is. :eek:
 

Plec

Venerated Member
Yup, I'm a neveaholic also!
I love the 88RS... every single thing about it. Only thing I would've changed is 18db/oct cut filters instead of 12db. For my stuff I just have more use for steeper curves.

But as always, everything has it's place... and no matter how great the 88RS is, it doesn't fit everything. That's why I'm totally obsessed with the combination of UAD Neve 88RS and Waves SSL Channel. It is for me the best of both worlds. With the 88RS you have the \"hi-fi\" clean, smooth, thick and whatever... with the SSL you have the grunge, extreme, lots of character.

Here's my common usage on common sources, split between the channelstrips...

Bass - (50/50)
Drums - (50/50)
Electric Guitars - SSL Channel (80%)
Vocals - Neve 88RS (80%)
 

Macc

Established Member
Agreed about the cut filters Plec :)

electro77 said:
I still dont understand what magic 88RS could be doing when everyone seems to agree how neutral and clean it is. :eek:
Respectfully, I think you may be misunderstanding what people are saying. :)

In comparison to the previous Neve plugins (based on 1970's units), which are full of character and behave like old school units with all their foibles and so on, the 88RS is based on a much more recent unit (circa 2000 I think), which imparts less character and is much more neutral in comparison.

However, that's not to say that it is 100% transparent - cos it isn't :D . I have posted null tests on here, they are still online, and you can hear it for yourself.

What it does do is give just a teensy little smidge of its particular mojo to every channel it's on. So when you mix all those channels, you get a mix full of mojo. It's often said that you can't really run a 1073 on every channel because it is just too much - the 88RS doesn't suffer from that. :)

Oh, completely aside from that, using the eq followed by LA2A for compression duties is currently making me smile :)
 

elram

Active Member
nice to see that ppl are STILL opening new threads of
\"88RS KICK MY MOTHER's ARSE!!!!\"
hehehehe

KEWL!

:D

oh... and... +1 for that theme...
 

sniper

Established Member
I too am amazed by the awesomeness of 88RS!
Having said that, is it just me or does the compressor studder on \"long sound material\" such as strings, choir oohs and aahs, sustained piano etc when compressing more than some -10 db with fast release?
Last night i used the 88RS on the backing vox bus, i wanted an ELO-ish hyper-compressed backing vocal sound but the 88RS responded with hickups and studdering. NOT the usual \"well your latency is set too low\" crackle.. but quite similar.

I suppose the comp section of the 88RS just doesn't handle heavy compression with fast release as sweet as the 1176ln.
 

Macc

Established Member
I agree - not a fan of the compressor's release stage at all once you get below 10 or 11 o'clock on the knob. I know exactly what you mean :| I'd even say I hate it.

And with that, I will head for the hills :lol:
 

XAXAU

Established Member
run for your life :) no but i guess its a tool just like everything else. good at this, bad at that.

i dont even own it but after reading here im feeling it :)
im using less channels and going more and more towards a big minimal sound and UA is helping me all the way.

fairy dust, sparkling over the zeros and ones :)
 

elram

Active Member
I too am amazed by the awesomeness of 88RS!
Having said that, is it just me or does the compressor studder on \"long sound material\" such as strings, choir oohs and aahs, sustained piano etc when compressing more than some -10 db with fast release?
Last night i used the 88RS on the backing vox bus, i wanted an ELO-ish hyper-compressed backing vocal sound but the 88RS responded with hickups and studdering. NOT the usual \"well your latency is set too low\" crackle.. but quite similar.

I suppose the comp section of the 88RS just doesn't handle heavy compression with fast release as sweet as the 1176ln.
YUP!!!
had it few days ago!!!

i dont think that shoud be the case! :(
 
The 88RS absolutly F&#$ing ROCKS!! I always toiled over getting fat bass sound . . . . not any more! Used it on the Kick, Snare, Parallel Drums & Vocals as well. The UAD-1's are my \"go to\" plugs but this just brought my love of UAD-1 to a new level :) Worth every penny.
Joe
 

markotten

New Member
elram said:
I too am amazed by the awesomeness of 88RS!
Having said that, is it just me or does the compressor studder on "long sound material" such as strings, choir oohs and aahs, sustained piano etc when compressing more than some -10 db with fast release?
Last night i used the 88RS on the backing vox bus, i wanted an ELO-ish hyper-compressed backing vocal sound but the 88RS responded with hickups and studdering. NOT the usual "well your latency is set too low" crackle.. but quite similar.

I suppose the comp section of the 88RS just doesn't handle heavy compression with fast release as sweet as the 1176ln.
YUP!!!
had it few days ago!!!

i dont think that shoud be the case! :(
I think this might have to do with the fact that this plugin uses 2 thresholds... see the manual...
 

Dan Duskin

Established Member
It's interesting... I like the 88RS a lot, but I'm using it less and less already. However, for some brands of certain instruments it ocationally ends up sounding best... but I keep reaching more and more for the SSL stuff, and for non percussive instruments I'm still heading to the more classic UAD plugins (LA2A, Fairchild, Pultec, etc).

I'm still extremely happy I bought it!
 

djsynchro

Hall of Fame Member
I guess I'm back to how I used to work when I had an analogue studio:

I will always start with the 88rs unless I really need something else, in which case I'll \"patch something in\".

The way the 88rs sounds very \"civilized\" has really grown on me, I do techno/electro and I really have to work it hard for a more agressive sound, but I'm starting to like that, with the more agressive sounding EQs and comps it's too easy to overdo it sometimes, channels might sound good by themselves but not so good in the context of the mix...
 

sniper

Established Member
djsynchro said:
I guess I'm back to how I used to work when I had an analogue studio:

I will always start with the 88rs unless I really need something else, in which case I'll "patch something in".

The way the 88rs sounds very "civilized" has really grown on me, I do techno/electro and I really have to work it hard for a more agressive sound, but I'm starting to like that, with the more agressive sounding EQs and comps it's too easy to overdo it sometimes, channels might sound good by themselves but not so good in the context of the mix...
Spot on! While other plugs, like 1176ln, is pretty much full throttle right away the 88RS ranges from 0-100mph.
 

rydan

Active Member
Perhaps it's just my ears that's a bit strange at the moment, but when I tried the 88RS last night, it felt like most of the range on the boost/cut knobs do very little, and then the last few mm of stroke go from like +3 to +12dB. Since I often use EQ as an effect, I work a lot in that range, so I felt that it was a bit fiddly to get it \"just right\" with the 88. When the knob was turned to \"instinctively right\", nothing happened, and when I turned it a bit more, still nothing happened (or, well, not really nothing, but you get the idea), and then suddenly, too much happened...

Anybody else experiencing this?
 

Macc

Established Member
Not at all :? I just turn it til it sounds right (sorry, I know how that sounds).

If you're in cubase you can Ctrl-Shift-click the edit button to bring up the generic VST GUI though, and adjust things that way...
 
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