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Anyone try UVI drum replacer? Vs trigger 2?

Nickvegas

Member
Anyone try uvi drum replacer? It looks pretty cool and easy to use. I’ve also been considering trigger 2 and wonder how the two of them stack up. Also if anyone has used Uvi drum replacer,
Is there any way to automate it? Say it’s a drum track and part of it has side stick, but part of it has open snare, could you use the VST library you’re replacing the snare with and automate it between stick and open snare?

thanks!
 

Cass Anawaty

Shareholder
I use drum replacer—not a ton because of the style I work in—but I’ve been able to dial it in on some pretty tricky spots.

As far as automating, UVI products use host controller messages, so you assign within the daw. Only slightly more involved than standard midi messages, but it still throws people at first.

Are you using a stereo file of a kit? If I had separate tracks I’d probably edit to 2 tracks, then use the replacement there.

No experience with other products.
 

Nickvegas

Member
I use drum replacer—not a ton because of the style I work in—but I’ve been able to dial it in on some pretty tricky spots.

As far as automating, UVI products use host controller messages, so you assign within the daw. Only slightly more involved than standard midi messages, but it still throws people at first.

Are you using a stereo file of a kit? If I had separate tracks I’d probably edit to 2 tracks, then use the replacement there.

No experience with other products.
I see! I have a mono snare track I recorded. The side stick is maybe the first 16 bars and the rest is open snare. You suggest just splitting the track and putting them on two mono tracks and opening two instances of replacer?
 

exoslime

Venerated Member
i use slate trigger,

for the use case with side stick and regular hits, i always split the track into 2 and process differently

if you have a drum performance where ghostnotes are important, this approach also works well, separate the ghost notes from the normal hits and you have way more control over your processing
 
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Nickvegas

Member
i use slate trigger,

for the use case with side stick and regular hits, i always split the track into 2 and process differently

if you have a drum performance where ghostnotes are important, this approach also works well, separate the ghost notes from the normal hits and you have way more control over your processing
Cool that helps thanks!
 

chrisso

Venerated Member
I'm using UVI. I had Slate and never used it much.
I am using my own samples and the best thing about UVI is that you can very easily drag your sample on to the sample window. I often drag several different samples on there before I decide which one sounds best.
The only thing I don't like about UVI is the stereo output. Sometimes I would prefer mono. haven't found a way to select that yet.
Yep, I often have an X-Stick and a full snare in a single song. I always do them separately. Usually I just do the X-Stick pass first, but yeah, you could chop the x-stick part out and put it on a second audio track, then launch UVI.
I find the X-Stick part might need slightly different threshold and gate settings to the full snare.
UVI is easy to use (I've never read the manual) and super easy to use your own samples.
 

Nickvegas

Member
I'm using UVI. I had Slate and never used it much.
I am using my own samples and the best thing about UVI is that you can very easily drag your sample on to the sample window. I often drag several different samples on there before I decide which one sounds best.
The only thing I don't like about UVI is the stereo output. Sometimes I would prefer mono. haven't found a way to select that yet.
Yep, I often have an X-Stick and a full snare in a single song. I always do them separately. Usually I just do the X-Stick pass first, but yeah, you could chop the x-stick part out and put it on a second audio track, then launch UVI.
I find the X-Stick part might need slightly different threshold and gate settings to the full snare.
UVI is easy to use (I've never read the manual) and super easy to use your own samples.
This is super helpful thanks!!

I just saw a video on slate using the TCI files which actually vary velocity and treat the hits with a more natural response vs just turning in and the the sample. Do you still feel uvi feels natural with the samples?
 

chrisso

Venerated Member
UVI has velocity, which you can vary it's effect by percentage. You can mix the sample (by percentage) with your original sound, or print to a new track as a separate sound. I didn't like Slate's sounds and don't you have to import your samples to the Trigger format?
I just drop anything from my large personal library into the sample window in UVI and it's good to go.
I have hundreds of my own sounds, from years of drum sessions, so I'm not attracted by the Slate library.
 

chrisso

Venerated Member
UVI can send midi to any Toontrack VST, which will give you multi-velocity drums.
I'm usually just blending a single sample behind my own drums, so I only need it to follow the volume (velocity), I don't need it to trigger other variations.
 

machinated

Active Member
havent found any solution better than Massey DRT and manually tabbing through each hit and lining up. All the realtime stuff gets close but is never quite perfect. Takes me 10 minutes to tab through and align anything thats off, in the long run it saves way more time.

Totally sworn off the real time things, aside from sometimes quickly auditioning different sounds.
 

Nickvegas

Member
havent found any solution better than Massey DRT and manually tabbing through each hit and lining up. All the realtime stuff gets close but is never quite perfect. Takes me 10 minutes to tab through and align anything thats off, in the long run it saves way more time.

Totally sworn off the real time things, aside from sometimes quickly auditioning different sounds.
Cool! I’ve actually been doing that lately using Massey, the a VST from kontakt or something. When you do this, do you keep your original and blend them? Or do you get rid of the original (say snare) all together? When it comes mix time If you’ve kept everything, how do you treat those double tracks? Do you mostly just bus/mix the new samples or include everything in all the mixing plugins and whatnot?
 

machinated

Active Member
Cool! I’ve actually been doing that lately using Massey, the a VST from kontakt or something. When you do this, do you keep your original and blend them? Or do you get rid of the original (say snare) all together? When it comes mix time If you’ve kept everything, how do you treat those double tracks? Do you mostly just bus/mix the new samples or include everything in all the mixing plugins and whatnot?
It’s almost always blending with the original, you’d hope there was something about the original sound and performance that was “right” otherwise why would they have hit record?

I personally try to not stack too many sounds, I’d rather find one sample that’s correct than 10 that are wrong. The other thing with realtime replacement plugins are they make it so easy to stack up various sounds, and chop and change all the time. I think the earlier you commit to the right sample, the better you can mix everything around it.
 

Nickvegas

Member
sucks correcting the timing though, it’s never perfect :( sometimes i’ll let it off a time aligned MIDI track though
Yeah I was thinking that too, because it doesn’t have a place to drop or erase triggers right? Just the re trigger knob and other parameters to try and hone in? That’s why as tedious as tabbing through Massey is, it’s the most accurate l. But then it’s more of a midi blend than trigger replacement.
 

marQs

Shareholder
I have hundreds of my own sounds, from years of drum sessions, so I'm not attracted by the Slate library.
Are you aware of "Instrument Editor" for Trigger? It's easy to create .tci-files from (well organized) samples.

I have plenty of drum samples for Trigger, spanning over decades. What I enjoy most about it is the chance to fill the 8 slots with different aspects of a sample. See my signature :alien:
 
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chrisso

Venerated Member
Are you aware of "Instrument Editor" for Trigger? It's easy to create .tci-files from (well organized) samples.
Yes, I tried it. That was my point. It's an extra stage I don't need. I can simply drop any number of samples straight on to UVI Drum Replacer and within a few seconds I'm up and running. It also supports multi-samples of a single sound.
I have a folder of hundreds of my own samples from studio sessions, I don't want to have to convert them to another format. UVI doesn't even care what sample rate they are.
 
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