Best path for expanding to 16 preamps

sonnysmoothwax

New Member
Hello wizards. I wanted to ask what you'd do in my situation. I currently have an 8p, a few lunchbox preamps and trying to decide the best combination of awesome and affordable that will get me to 16 preamps. The two obvious options seem to be adding a second 8p (maybe in this situation I'd ditch the lunchbox), or adding the x8 and using the 4 onboard preamps plus the lunchbox preamps through the line-ins to get to 16. Is there a clearly better option to you? I'm not a recording whiz or anything... is there something I should be thinking about that I might be missing? Is there a totally different way to 16 that you'd recommend? Thanks for any help / advice!
 

Joe Porto

Hall of Fame Member
Any 8 channel mic pre with ADAT (or s/mux for 96k) outs will work.

i use an Audient ASP-880 but there are inexpensive options such as the Behringer ADA8200
 

chrisso

Venerated Member
I am using the Cranborne 500 ADAT. It's one of the best things I've added to my studio in years. It is I guess less economic if you don't already own some 500 series pre-amps (which I see you do?). Cranbourne's own Camden pre-amp is also fantastic. the headphone amp in the 500ADAT is nicer sounding than the Apollo one.
 

kcatthedog2

Active Member
What's your budget and do you want all 16 to be unison, if so, you need apollo, if not, you don't. Personally, I like real pres.

Do you build , you might want to think about a stuffed seven circle chassis as you can get different flavours of pres or pay for a built one.

 

chpaul

Member
I am using the Cranborne 500 ADAT. It's one of the best things I've added to my studio in years. It is I guess less economic if you don't already own some 500 series pre-amps (which I see you do?). Cranbourne's own Camden pre-amp is also fantastic. the headphone amp in the 500ADAT is nicer sounding than the Apollo one.
How easy was it to set up? Are you clocking with the Cranborne or Apollo? Are you using it for tracking, mixdown or both? Thanks!
 

scratch17

Venerated Member
trying to decide the best combination of awesome and affordable that will get me to 16 preamps. The two obvious options seem to be adding a second 8p (maybe in this situation I'd ditch the lunchbox), or adding the x8 and using the 4 onboard preamps plus the lunchbox preamps through the line-ins to get to 16.
The Apollo 8P has 8 Unison mic preamps. Adding expansion via its two ADAT I/O ports on an 8P could get you to 16. In this case, you would need a second interface with A/D and D/A conversion because the 8P has only 8 channels of conversion. As stated above, in this setup case, you'd need
ADAT I/O. Finally, you'd need to decide which unit would be the master clock and set that up for both your Apollo and the ADAT expansion unit.

However, adding your 500 series preamps via line out on your chassis to line in on the 8P will replace the Apollo Unison mic pre with the 500 series mic pre. You either get to use one or the other, not both at the same time. So the most you could use simultaneously would be a combination of 8 mic preamps, not 16. Of course, you could use a patch bay to change which of your 8 preamps was active at any one time. But that would still limit you to 8.

Having said all of that, I agree with @chrisso that the Cranborne 500ADAT checks all of the boxes you seem to require.

I don't own one so I can't personally attest to the quality I describe here. However, a lot of UAD Forum members use the 500ADAT and have described its quality this way.

It has the ADAT I/O you need and a whole lot more for $1,500 USD. You get an 8 channel / slot 500 series chassis,. You get 8 channels of conversion at up to 96kHz sample rates. So if you filled the chassis with mic preamp modules, you could get to 16 mic preamps available simultaneously.

You can use it as a master or slave with an Apollo using BNC Word Clock I/O. Or you could use the built in ADAT clocking if you want.

There are multiple analog routing capabilities including an insert send and receive on each slot. The insert slot capability could be a way for you to integrate your existing 500 chassis with a channel or two of the 8 slots on the 500ADAT. You'd use the analog I/O on your existing chassis to connect to the send and receive on a slot or two on the 500ADAT chassis's rear inserts. That would allow you to send a strip of modules with a specific order (say mic pre, EQ and compressor) to a 500ADAT channel. In effect, you'd have multiple modules routed to a single channel / slot.

On the 500 ADAT, you can put specific modules in consecutive slots and use switches to turn them into strips of two, three or more modules right from the front of the chassis. There is also an internal switch that can be used to bypass a slot until you have a module to fill the slot.

There are some really unique bonus features in the 500ADAT too.

500ADAT has an analog 8 channel summing mixer built into the chassis. That's a nice bonus.

And then there are 4 of Cranbourne's proprietary C.A.S.T. I/O ports on 500ADAT. C.A.S.T. is a CAT 5, 6, or 7 based networked audio solution that can be used as replacement for analog snakes. I can also allow you to add additional networked line level audio devices to the 500ADAT. You can read about C.A.S.T. on the Cranborne web site.

Note that the input sources can be selected from a front of chassis switch that selects your input routing options: ADAT (i.e. from your DAW), the current slot (analog) or C.A.S.T. In effect the 500ADAT can be used as an 8 channel routing hub that connects multiple 500 series modules or other analog gear to and from your DAW.

As for how do you use it? Depending on the modules you populate it with, it could be used for racking and mixing and mastering. Tracking use is obvious. But note that you could run a track from your DAW through any of the modules to add flavor simply by selecting ADAT as an input source. Or you could send your final mix through a stereo bus compressor for mastering.
 

Rainflower

Venerated Member
The Apollo 8P has 8 Unison mic preamps. Adding expansion via its two ADAT I/O ports on an 8P could get you to 16. In this case, you would need a second interface with A/D and D/A conversion because the 8P has only 8 channels of conversion. As stated above, in this setup case, you'd need
ADAT I/O. Finally, you'd need to decide which unit would be the master clock and set that up for both your Apollo and the ADAT expansion unit.

However, adding your 500 series preamps via line out on your chassis to line in on the 8P will replace the Apollo Unison mic pre with the 500 series mic pre. You either get to use one or the other, not both at the same time. So the most you could use simultaneously would be a combination of 8 mic preamps, not 16. Of course, you could use a patch bay to change which of your 8 preamps was active at any one time. But that would still limit you to 8.

Having said all of that, I agree with @chrisso that the Cranborne 500ADAT checks all of the boxes you seem to require.

I don't own one so I can't personally attest to the quality I describe here. However, a lot of UAD Forum members use the 500ADAT and have described its quality this way.

It has the ADAT I/O you need and a whole lot more for $1,500 USD. You get an 8 channel / slot 500 series chassis,. You get 8 channels of conversion at up to 96kHz sample rates. So if you filled the chassis with mic preamp modules, you could get to 16 mic preamps available simultaneously.

You can use it as a master or slave with an Apollo using BNC Word Clock I/O. Or you could use the built in ADAT clocking if you want.

There are multiple analog routing capabilities including an insert send and receive on each slot. The insert slot capability could be a way for you to integrate your existing 500 chassis with a channel or two of the 8 slots on the 500ADAT. You'd use the analog I/O on your existing chassis to connect to the send and receive on a slot or two on the 500ADAT chassis's rear inserts. That would allow you to send a strip of modules with a specific order (say mic pre, EQ and compressor) to a 500ADAT channel. In effect, you'd have multiple modules routed to a single channel / slot.

On the 500 ADAT, you can put specific modules in consecutive slots and use switches to turn them into strips of two, three or more modules right from the front of the chassis. There is also an internal switch that can be used to bypass a slot until you have a module to fill the slot.

There are some really unique bonus features in the 500ADAT too.

500ADAT has an analog 8 channel summing mixer built into the chassis. That's a nice bonus.

And then there are 4 of Cranbourne's proprietary C.A.S.T. I/O ports on 500ADAT. C.A.S.T. is a CAT 5, 6, or 7 based networked audio solution that can be used as replacement for analog snakes. I can also allow you to add additional networked line level audio devices to the 500ADAT. You can read about C.A.S.T. on the Cranborne web site.

Note that the input sources can be selected from a front of chassis switch that selects your input routing options: ADAT (i.e. from your DAW), the current slot (analog) or C.A.S.T. In effect the 500ADAT can be used as an 8 channel routing hub that connects multiple 500 series modules or other analog gear to and from your DAW.

As for how do you use it? Depending on the modules you populate it with, it could be used for racking and mixing and mastering. Tracking use is obvious. But note that you could run a track from your DAW through any of the modules to add flavor simply by selecting ADAT as an input source. Or you could send your final mix through a stereo bus compressor for mastering.
I don’t believe the two adat on the 8p will provide 16 ADAT channels. They are 8 channels only and output the identical 8 channels mirrored.
 

rodd

Hall of Fame Member
I don’t believe the two adat on the 8p will provide 16 ADAT channels. They are 8 channels only and output the identical 8 channels mirrored.
That’s right, 8 total. There are 2 ports for s/mux at higher sample rates

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3BC

Member
How easy was it to set up? Are you clocking with the Cranborne or Apollo? Are you using it for tracking, mixdown or both? Thanks!
Heritage audio makes something similar, fewer features to be sure. But it’s $500 less, and it fits in my 3u space in platform desk, where the cranborne is 4u.
 

rodd

Hall of Fame Member
Heritage audio makes something similar, fewer features to be sure. But it’s $500 less, and it fits in my 3u space in platform desk, where the cranborne is 4u.
The one thing I don’t like about the heritage one is the adat is one way. So you can track with it, but you can’t mix with it (via adat anyway)
 
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3BC

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The one thing I don’t like about the heritage one is the adat is one way. So you can track with it, but you can’t mix with it (via adat anyway)
Great point. For someone like me who will never own $30k worth of outboard that’s no big deal. Have extra preamps in case of emergency, but I trust dedicated conversion from something like an apollo more than cheaper converters in something like an outboard preamp or 500 rack. So my outboard mixing is usually just a couple things at a time or the master bus going I/o through the interface converters.
 
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