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can cues in Console send to any line output in a multi-apollo setup? Confused.

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thelastexpresstrain

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Hey all,

I'm considering getting another Apollo to expand my inputs and outputs. I'm reading about the limitations of the multi-apollo setups, however, and one thing has me confused. I love using the Cues outs to send any channel to any line output in Apollo (which usually have some tasty rack processors on them), and I'd love to keep that ability as I expand my system.

What I'd love to do is make sure that, if I have some line level rack processors on one Apollo, and other line level processors on another Apollo, I can send audio from anywhere in Console to either of those units. I figured I'd be able to use the cues to do that.

In the manual for the Apollo software, I've got one section that says:

"Cue mix buses can be routed to physical outputs (line, ADAT, etc) on any master or slave unit. However, mirrored cues can be routed to the monitor unit only."

And another, under limitations, that says:

"Cue buses can be routed to the line and/or digital outputs of the monitor unit only. This constraint does not apply when routing cues to headphone outputs."

Which is correct? Can I only use the cues to send to one of the units, or are both of the unit's line and ADAT outputs available?

This might be more of a bigger constraint going forward, and threw me for a loop! This would also mean that the line and ADAT outputs on the slave units are less useful, because you couldn't send stuff to them within Console. I just enjoy being able to send anything to anything in Console as I produce.
 
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thelastexpresstrain said:
Hey all,

I'm considering getting another Apollo to expand my inputs and outputs. I'm reading about the limitations of the multi-apollo setups, however, and one thing has me confused. I love using the Cues outs to send any channel to any line output in Apollo (which usually have some tasty rack processors on them), and I'd love to keep that ability as I expand my system.

What I'd love to do is make sure that, if I have some line level rack processors on one Apollo, and other line level processors on another Apollo, I can send audio from anywhere in Console to either of those units. I figured I'd be able to use the cues to do that.

In the manual for the Apollo software, I've got one section that says:

"Cue mix buses can be routed to physical outputs (line, ADAT, etc) on any master or slave unit. However, mirrored cues can be routed to the monitor unit only."

And another, under limitations, that says:

"Cue buses can be routed to the line and/or digital outputs of the monitor unit only. This constraint does not apply when routing cues to headphone outputs."

Which is correct? Can I only use the cues to send to one of the units, or are both of the unit's line and ADAT outputs available?

This might be more of a bigger constraint going forward, and threw me for a loop! This would also mean that the line and ADAT outputs on the slave units are less useful, because you couldn't send stuff to them within Console. I just enjoy being able to send anything to anything in Console as I produce.
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Interesting. I believe the latter is correct. @UniversalAudio ?
 
UniversalAudio

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thelastexpresstrain said:
Hey all,

I'm considering getting another Apollo to expand my inputs and outputs. I'm reading about the limitations of the multi-apollo setups, however, and one thing has me confused. I love using the Cues outs to send any channel to any line output in Apollo (which usually have some tasty rack processors on them), and I'd love to keep that ability as I expand my system.

What I'd love to do is make sure that, if I have some line level rack processors on one Apollo, and other line level processors on another Apollo, I can send audio from anywhere in Console to either of those units. I figured I'd be able to use the cues to do that.

In the manual for the Apollo software, I've got one section that says:

"Cue mix buses can be routed to physical outputs (line, ADAT, etc) on any master or slave unit. However, mirrored cues can be routed to the monitor unit only."

And another, under limitations, that says:

"Cue buses can be routed to the line and/or digital outputs of the monitor unit only. This constraint does not apply when routing cues to headphone outputs."

Which is correct? Can I only use the cues to send to one of the units, or are both of the unit's line and ADAT outputs available?

This might be more of a bigger constraint going forward, and threw me for a loop! This would also mean that the line and ADAT outputs on the slave units are less useful, because you couldn't send stuff to them within Console. I just enjoy being able to send anything to anything in Console as I produce.
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Can you post the version # and page # for #1 please?

#2 is correct.
 
ScottyC

ScottyC

Member
I have 2 Apollo 8Ps. In the Console’s I/O Matrix, cues are only available on the monitor unit. There are only 2 monitor outs showing available on the 2nd unit, but I’ve never tried them. Analog 1-6 And ADAT outs show as available and can be assigned on the 2nd unit, but I’ve never had the need to route anything to them, so I couldn’t tell you for sure if they pass signal or not.
 
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EoSNJ

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As mentioned, it's the monitor unit outputs only. The only exception to this is that the Twin's Line 3/4 can also receive a Cue output if it's not the master. I have an x8p(master), 8p, and twin. Cues 1-4 go to the x8p's line out pairs, cue 4 also goes to the Twin's 3/4
 
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flandybob

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Now that would be a good reason to upgrade to a hypothetical new Apollo, improved routing possibilities for single and multi-system Apollos :)
 
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Quint

Venerated Member
flandybob said:
Now that would be a good reason to upgrade to a hypothetical new Apollo, improved routing possibilities for single and multi-system Apollos :)
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That's the hope, that new Apollos, whenever they are released, will have better routing (a bigger FPGA). Apollos have always been woefully lacking in the routing department.
 
ScottyC

ScottyC

Member
Cues don’t even show up the in monitor out section of my B unit. You do get to use the 2 headphone outs of the B unit as separate cues. Maybe that’s what they mean.
 
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marktodonnell

Member
EoSNJ said:
As mentioned, it's the monitor unit outputs only. The only exception to this is that the Twin's Line 3/4 can also receive a Cue output if it's not the master. I have an x8p(master), 8p, and twin. Cues 1-4 go to the x8p's line out pairs, cue 4 also goes to the Twin's 3/4
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Interesting. I have two x8ps by my mix desk with my main monitors, all instruments (drums, keys, Bass, OX) connected to the main units. Have been using the Twin Arrow with a long thunderbolt cable for a drum set headphone unit, and a Bass direct in when needed.

Recently tried to send from the 1/4 monitor stereo out in the back of the arrow, to a headphone amp which accepts L/R 1/4 in inputs and I cannot get the arrow monitor output to send a signal. I understand that you can only have one Monitor system. Is there a way to activate the other monitors through console to use these output for different speaker systems. It doesn't make sense that they would just be completely dead on the other units just because those outputs are not on the selected Monitor unit in console.

Can I activate those monitor outs, or do I just get 2 for all of my units?
 
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