Can I Get A Ruling From The Ref On Only -One- P-Plug?

[Suntower]

I only have PEQ. I do not have PLIM. I do not want PLIM.

I would like to get PMulti-Band.

Can I still get -some- kind of discount or do I need to get both? The coupon doesn't work unless you buy the bundle. That seems unfair since I've ponied up for -every- frickin' plug -except- PLim.

UA? Help a brother out. It's Christmas fer cryin' out loud.

---JC

 

[cram1960]

Me too. I don't really want the P-Lim, so the coupon really does me no good.
Now if I could get the Roland Dimension and PMBC that would be sweeeet!

 

[neil wilkes]

The discount on offer for the P series only applies if you have all 3, or buy what you don't have to get all 3.
If you only have or end up with 2/3, then no discount.
It's sort of like a \"Bundle\" deal, as you can buy the 3 plug bundle for $147 off the price of all 3 together.
As a lot of us already have the others, it was done this way so that early buyers didn't feel ripped off by the new \"Bundle\" offer of all 3.

Just out of curiosity, why don't you want PL?
I didn't think I wanted it either - until I tried it.
Then after comparing with the other brickwalls I have, it was simply a superior limiter and far more transparent than my others. So out came the $200.

 

[Suntower]

I compared it with Elephant 2. Although, I definitely like the PLim GUI better, at the end of the day, with a little tweaking help from Alexey, I realized that they both pretty much can sound identical. (At least to my untutored, middle-aged ears.)

The Multi-Band is however, a great thing---the presets have been immediately useful, and I can definitely hear an improvement in sound over things like Voxengo Soniformer and the Wavelab gizmo.

----JC

The discount on offer for the P series only applies if you have all 3, or buy what you don't have to get all 3.
If you only have or end up with 2/3, then no discount.
It's sort of like a "Bundle" deal, as you can buy the 3 plug bundle for $147 off the price of all 3 together.
As a lot of us already have the others, it was done this way so that early buyers didn't feel ripped off by the new "Bundle" offer of all 3.

Just out of curiosity, why don't you want PL?
I didn't think I wanted it either - until I tried it.
Then after comparing with the other brickwalls I have, it was simply a superior limiter and far more transparent than my others. So out came the $200.

 

[cram1960]

Well for me, I dn't want PLim because I don't use a limiter. I'm too inexperienced (ignorant) to know what I'd use it for, or why others use it.

It's that simple, and that sad.

 

[jcat]

The PL is a great plugin. Personally I use limiters as part of my mixing setup, and the PL fits in very nicely, it's not just something I use to master of stick on the master buss to make everything louder!

Great plugin. =D>


I've been baught and have been testing the Multiband, and it seems very nice, way nicer sounding than a Finalizer of any kind (although it wouldn't be that hard really). But I just don't like that sound you tend to get with a MB =; , and I will only be using it as a de-esser and occassionaly within a mix to fix problem tracks.

My 2 Pence...



Cheers,

jcat

 

[1176]

The Precision Limiter cound not be easier to use, or be more useful: Simply add it to the end of your master fader section to prevent overs. I rarely need to even adjust the thing, other than adding a little gain sometimes. The default auto-release settings are usually perfect. It's fantasticlly transparent for protection against digital overs.

 

[DAWgEAR]

I use the PL occasionally for limiting, but I use it primarily for the meters: average + peak and Bob Katz's K-System compatible.

It's on the master buss of every project for mixing, usually with limiting turned off and with only the meters active.

 

[saemskin]

Well for me, I dn't want PLim because I don't use a limiter. I'm too inexperienced (ignorant) to know what I'd use it for, or why others use it.
It's that simple, and that sad.

After all your ideas are laid down and its time for mixdown, throw it in the last slot of your master bus to keep track of overs. The gain reduction meter tells you how far. It's a great monitoring tool, I dont know how I ever lived without it.

 

[Akis]

Well for me, I dn't want PLim because I don't use a limiter. I'm too inexperienced (ignorant) to know what I'd use it for, or why others use it.
It's that simple, and that sad.

After all your ideas are laid down and its time for mixdown, throw it in the last slot of your master bus to keep track of overs. The gain reduction meter tells you how far. It's a great monitoring tool, I dont know how I ever lived without it.

If you mix keeping in mind you should leave some proper headroom for the mastering engineer, I don't think you need it, really, for tracking the overs; the built-in meter of your DAW should be enough for the task. Actually, the build in meter of your DAW's master strip should be enough for tracking overs in any case, shouldn't it?

 

[bob humid]

Well for me, I dn't want PLim because I don't use a limiter. I'm too inexperienced (ignorant) to know what I'd use it for, or why others use it.
It's that simple, and that sad.

After all your ideas are laid down and its time for mixdown, throw it in the last slot of your master bus to keep track of overs. The gain reduction meter tells you how far. It's a great monitoring tool, I dont know how I ever lived without it.

If you mix keeping in mind you should leave some proper headroom for the mastering engineer, I don't think you need it, really, for tracking the overs; the built-in meter of your DAW should be enough for the task. Actually, the build in meter of your DAW's master strip should be enough for tracking overs in any case, shouldn't it?

:idea:
not always. there is music out there which has only 2 or 3 peaks which hit 0dB along its tracklength while all the other average peaks in the track are around, lets say -8dB or so... so NOT cutting the heads of those 3 little arrogant peaks will result in a track that is about 8dB less "loud" as if you would chop. especially for 16 bit masters that´ll be a desaster! that is one reason why studios want to have 24 Bit masters. we have to realise that limiting is a total transparent process today, so why not chopping?

also, in my experience a lot of tracks from clients have these occasional "several few" overs that DO NOT contribute to the overall / average sound-esthetics / dynamics of the music.

note that there is a lot of "mastering" engineers out there that just put the EQ / maximizer exactly on what you give them without chopping these occasional peaks (some lazy folks). so it´s a bit risky not to chop yourself, until you have a real mastering guy. i mean someone who has a heart of dedication... :wink:

of course you can push the mastering-compressor´s INPUT, but instinctively I find this not so "pure".

use an audio editor that shows you the waveform with a dB-scale along the vertical axis.. like in samplitude / sequoia. like that you see these occasional peaks very quickly. the meter is not so helpful here.

 

[Akis]

Usually, if there's such a useless peak (or a couple of them) in a mix, it's better to cut them on the individual channels, isn't it? :wink:

Of course, if we're talking about a mix that's gonna be 'mastered' at the same time (the way a lot of home masters get done :wink: ), then sure, the limiter should be there. (probably followed by a loudness maximiser, to kill what the limiter hasn't :lol: , but that's another topic... 8) )

 

[jcat]

Usually, if there's such a useless peak (or a couple of them) in a mix, it's better to cut them on the individual channels, isn't it? :wink:

Exactely... =D>



Cheers,

jcat

 

[saemskin]

I'm sure there are alot of us out there mixing with the intention of maybe never sending off to a mastering house. For whatever reason. Then a limiter on the master bus makes perfect sense. That, and putting a Plim on each channel of a 24 track songs makes no sense at all.

 

[Akis]

I'm sure there are alot of us out there mixing with the intention of maybe never sending off to a mastering house. For whatever reason. Then a limiter on the master bus makes perfect sense.

Sure, as I said earlier, in these cases you obviously need a limiter (though maybe not always).

That, and putting a Plim on each channel of a 24 track songs makes no sense at all.

I never said anything about putting a limiter on each track. You talked about those 2-3 random, useless i.e. 8dB peaks that may occur in a song, which definitely can (and IMHO should) be treated individually; even better, due to their nature (one-off events), they can be treated offline, to save DSP resources, as otherwise the limiter should be active for the whole song just to limit a peak.