Delverb versus dedicated

[rjjuly]

Delverb combines delay like that of the Starlight, and reverb like that of the Golden. Sounds like a no-brainer, but is there any downside in having the Delverb rather than the two dedicated pedals? Is there less flexibility in the paramater control of the algorythms, for example?

- Richard

 

[klasaine]

There are some limitations with the Del Verb.
On the delay side there’s no beat divisions for the repeats.
No dedicated tone controls for the reverb.
You don’t get the extra models that are available when you register the pedals.
No saving presets (unless it’s ‘app only’).

I have a Starlight and the Del. Each on a different live board. I personally feel no “limitations” but I’m not an ambient or Shoe Gaze guy (at least as far as live playing is concerned). Your needs may be different.

 

[Beechwood]

The delverb is definitely less flexible, but the voicings give you options of sounds that go beyond what you can tweak with the individual pedals. And if you compare with a memory man or a spring reverb on an amp, it’s at least as flexible as that. Not having tone/decay for the verb wasn’t a problem for me because you select the sound you want in advance. For me it worked really well to be able to select which of each delay and verb I wanted for a gig and switch between them easily. I really like it. And the sounds are fantastic.

It’s a minor frustration that there are some easy things they could do to make it better but because the individual pedals exist they almost certainly won’t. Being able to create your own voicings is the most obvious thing.

And it’s a bit frustrating that they’ve not found a cleverer way to turn verb/delay on and off without losing tap tempo (just hold the button down for 2 seconds to turn reverb on and off, surely….)

 

[jaeger28]

Lack of Tap Tempo and subdivision control would be a biggie for me.

 

[Beechwood]

Adding subdivisions into the app would be another easy win

 

[rjjuly]

I don't play live, so thinking that that the more indepth parameter settings on the dedicated pedals would be worthwhile.

Watching to J Santiago's You Tube overviews of the various pedals - He really know where the bodies are buried - it seems that the dedicated pedals have a few differences from the DelVerb (and presumably any other future pedals that are splitting algorythms across the dual DSPs):
- All have a bonus programme except Galaxy.
- Many of the programmes have three versions
- Some programmes use the dual dsp architecture to allow config distinction between the two sides.

I can definitely see that the DelVerb style of combined emulation would be super handy for performance. I think for what I'm doing with production, I will have to bite the bullet and pay out for the separate dedicated pedals...

Richard

 

[Beechwood]

I think it’s a great inspiration box. The delay side is definitely flexible enough for recording. The reverb side isn’t flexible, but for recording that’s less of an issue if you have the plate and 224 plugins, and the springs on the delverb are a highlight. There are spring sounds in there the golden can’t do.

This sounds counterintuitive, but for me the lack of control on the reverb is kind of a good thing. You switch the one little switch and it changes all the settings for you. You could have a short dark spring, a medium modulated plate and an epic bright hall without having to turn any knobs. Kinda depends on whether you like the voicings though.

 

[MaxTwang]

I view the dedicated pedals as great live or studio effects and the Deli-Verb as an excellent way to add delay and reverb to amps without reverb. Being UAD they’ll gladly sell you multiple solutions.

 

[klong]

I got the Del Verb and it sounds cool but since I mostly play at home I prefer to use the UAD plugins and other plugins in my DAW. The bluetooth issues really discourage me from messing with it. If I had gigs coming up I would mess with it more.

 

[SimonA]

Starlight, Golden and Del-Verb owner. For me the biggest differences are no selectable dry signal preamp coloration for DMM & EP-3 modes and no way of storing presets on the del-verb. Also the delay side of del-verb sounds different to my ears when comparing it to the same algo on starlight (with preamp coloration turned off). The repeats are less distinct on the del-verb. Furthermore, I think the plate voicings on del-verb are nowhere near as good as what I would tweak on Golden (lack of modulation control).

But all in all Del-Verb is great value for money and I kept it because of its simplicity.

 

[rjjuly]

I guess what I’m wondering is if the Delverb is doing twice the effects with each having half the processing of the Starlight or Golden.
The larger format pedals have two dsps and much has been made of how they use one dsp prr stereo channel for true stereo processing - the Starlight, Golden and Galaxy.
I am assuming that Delverb does what it does by splitting out the two types of effects per dsp, and so do not have the true stereo processing of the others…
- Richard

 

[Beechwood]

Delverb is all true stereo, with both reverb and delay at the same time.
From what I remember the other boxes use the two dsps to process your live sound and your preset, so you’re able to switch algos without losing your trails/reverb tail. Whereas delverb is using one for delay and one for verb.

 

[Jethroo]

UAFX do nothing for pedals which they can fix easily.

They may add subdivisions to app.

 

[SimonA]

They may add subdivisions to app.

No they won’t.

 

[Jethroo]

No they won’t.

Sure they won't.
They will likely introduce a pedal with subdivisions, which is more probable. However, this time, they might remove the mod knob and make it fixed.

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