Enough EQs already!!

[Awesom-o]

Enough EQs already!


Let's face it, they sound nowhere near as good as the real things anyway.

As Russell Elevado says in the following post: Don't believe the hype!

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/q-russel ... ucers.html

I personally want more \"creative\" plugins - ones that can really mangle the sound in new and interesting way.

Any chance of modelling a Kaoss Pad 3, UA??

 

[imdrecordings]

I don't care what \"who ever\" says....
UA creates Vintage EMUs... EQs Comps... Verbs... and they are good at it. Probably the best.
I think a 250.00 Neve EQ emu (that I can use multiple instances) is way better than any Hardware EQ that I could buy plus (in comparison):
only use 1
have to convert da/ad,
line up or compensate for latency after applying to a track going out and back in to the interface,
added noise
uses more electricty
has a bad/short warranty
takes up a rack space
buy more patch cables...
Plus:
I would have to move out of my monitoring postion to use/adjust
Using cheap hardware EQs wont sound better, because at that price point you are already making compromises in gear anyway and those compromises aren't worth it. IMHO
I could go on and on....
There are plenty of plugin companies making cool weird, dirty, futuristic stuff. Why does UA need to join that rat race?
There are still more coveted EQs for UA to emu.
I think not having all of those incoveniences and the stellar sound of the UA eqs is worth the 250-300 dollar hype. 8) but YMMV

O'ya...
Here is a link to a bunch of EQs in that price range:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/home...N=100001+9+304602&Ntk=All&Ntt=eq&Nty=1&page=1

 

[LFranco]

I want more EQs, if they keep making them as good as the 1081, 1073, Helios, Cambridge, Pultec! I use them for various things, some work best at other tasks than others, and more to me = more posibilities!

Enough EQs already!
As Russell Elevado says...

You seriously think that he would actually tell people that ITB mixes can sound good? You're taking the advice of one of the most "elitist" engineers I've ever seen posting on the web.

Sure, if you mix a few high-end processors (compressors in my book) and high-quality plugins and know how to mix ITB, you CAN make mixes that stand up to anything out there, but hey, who am I to say anything - no awards on my wall.

 

[Eric Dahlberg]

Any chance of modelling a Kaoss Pad 3, UA??

You're being sarcastic now, right?

 

[LFranco]

...and a big \"word up\" to imdrecordings for what he said.

I'd also like to add that recalling gear for sessions takes a bit of time as well.

 

[saemskin]

Any chance of modelling a Kaoss Pad 3, UA??

You have GOT to be kidding me. Anyone who would make a statement like that and then reference a Piece of Garbage Kaoss pad dj crap deserves to just be ignored.

If you would have said Eventide, or even Kurzweil, maybe someone would be listening to you. As it stands.... not so much.

Back to your turntables and RCA jacks little one.

 

[imdrecordings]

All Bashing aside....

@ Awesom-o
What UA plugs are you using most? What kind of music are you mainly working on? What makes you not want more EQs? What is lacking from your sessions?

I think the biggest Kaos pad has a digital in and out.... maybe all of them.
Those are simple, cheap and fun to integrate into your system. Throw a 1073 plug on top of that track and WA-La! Awesome!

-s-

 

[kemo]

[quote="Awesom-o":2kziftjp]Any chance of modelling a Kaoss Pad 3, UA??

You're being sarcastic now, right?[/quote:2kziftjp]

Lol, I'm not sure either

I do think some 'other' plugs would be good and a great deal of home producers will at some point feel they have enough eq's with a full suite of the current UA line up. Therefore, UA might not sell to all their user base which could put the plugin prices up if they need more revenue etc etc.

I can also see why others will want more eq's, as lets face it, they are pretty good at emulating them and to engineers its becoming an aladdins cave of classics.

I'd love to see some filters modelled rather than a Kaoss Pad. A few choice units from some classic modulars and maybe a Sherman etc. For the softsynth users it would make an essential purchase IMO. I fully understand the interaction is lost between the synth and its filter by using one post process but if it could be midi learned, a good chunk of operation would be regained by using midi plugins etc. Even add to the designs by fitting a suite of lfo's, step sequencers etc.

So some on UA, I'll buy them or even model them in your dinner hour and give them away for free if your only bothered about eq's.

 

[afone1977]

Any chance of modelling a Kaoss Pad 3, UA??

no more to say

 

[imdrecordings]

Well, I think we have some fun things on the way. You've got the Valley people working with UA... you got the new guy from Creative/Apogee working with UA on Development. Scott Silvast consulting... and UA is the only company working hand in hand with AMS to develope officially licensed Neve plug-ins..

To all those saying UA is falling behind.... I couldn't disagree with you more.
The UAD-1, believe it or not, is selling more now than it ever has....
The performance that we are asking of the UAD-2,is not currently available anywhere. Yes? :?

 

[chewie]

I am one of those who enjoy all the plugs that UA have been kind to emulate, although I wouldn´t put a channelstrip high on the list BECAUSE of all the great plugs we have at our disposal.

On the other hand I would kill :twisted: for the opportunity to put together my own channel strip (chainer) consisting of eg. a Cambrigde, LA2A, 1081, 1176 (in that order)...

Having recently bought a few real analog synths (MS20, Mono/Poly, Vermona), I feel that what is missing in the digital world is good filters, the MS20´s kills all that I have heard so far :lol: .

 

[Awesom-o]

[quote="Awesom-o":t4cup4h7]Any chance of modelling a Kaoss Pad 3, UA??

You're being sarcastic now, right?[/quote:t4cup4h7]

Of course.

But I really do want more modulation based effects. I know there are other such native effects available, but I want a UA one because:

(1) their filters sound a helluva lot smoother than most other plugs

(2) there's no glitching/zipper noise when you move parameters around (even when bypassing/enabling parameters - I know of no other plugins that do this)

(3) it won't use any of my CPU

I love the DM-1, Modfilter, phasor plugins etc but they are sorely lacking in some major features, (like LFO phase sync for example).

A kick-ass filterbank would do me nicely for starters.

I'd also be a happy bloke if UA would let me alter the routing path within the CS-1 and EX-1.

But no, more EQs are obviously required.

 

[Awesom-o]

Back to your turntables and RCA jacks little one.

Have you got something against RCA jacks? They're kind of handy.

 

[wishingwell]

I love the eq's UA continue to make, and i love to have a variety of them, but i also believe one can only own so many eq's before seeing buying more is not necessary and in some cases redundant. The limit may vary from person to person, for some people 1 eq is enough, for others it may be 100 eq's, each is different, but at some point most will say enough i'm sure. I also think a company would only eventually limit itself if it stuck to only eq's and compressors, but i also don't believe UA will do this either. They've given us Roland space echo and Plate 140 so i'm sure they'll give us more 'creative type' plugins in the future. But as for Russell Elevado's comments, I learned along time ago that if you just listen to other people you'll end up confused. Some say good music cannot be made itb and others say it can, you just have to get some skills and see for yourself whether it can or can't. Many people are very content with their itb results and so are their customers and that's all that matters for them. If you feel some itb tools is too inferrior let this be seen threw your own eyes and then go where you think quality is at.

 

[lux]

I love the UA eqs and the more flavours the better same aplies with comrpession and while we are at it lwts have a decent expander.Of course I would love UA to do a tape simulator and also some console saturation
stuff.

 

[Eric Dahlberg]

I love the DM-1, Modfilter, phasor plugins etc but they are sorely lacking in some major features, (like LFO phase sync for example).

Is this accurate? I could've sworn the LFO's of these devices do sync already, especially the DM-1 & Modfilter. Or do you mean you want their phase to start at the same place consistently, not just having the LFO's in sync with the tempo?

Personally, I think UA should team up with Moog for their next licensing agreement. MoogerFooger pedals are popular with engineers, keyboardists, guitarists, bass players, & DJ's alike, thus offering a wider spread appeal than even the Roland plugs have. The MoogerFoogers would fill a lot of holes in the current plug-in offerings, too, & should appease 90% of the people who think UA has grown complacent (the remaining 10% should just buy Max/MSP & leave us all alone ).

 

[saemskin]

Back to your turntables and RCA jacks little one.

Have you got something against RCA jacks? They're kind of handy.

Yup that stuffs it, I officially like you. :wink:

 

[saemskin]

Having recently bought a few real analog synths (MS20, Mono/Poly, Vermona), I feel that what is missing in the digital world is good filters, the MS20´s kills all that I have heard so far :lol: .

Have you tried Fabfilter Volcano? Amazing filter. Sounds just as good as the filters on any synth I have ever owned, and that list is quite long and includes a SE1-X. You can get Simplon for free with an issue of CM magazine, and its a very slimmed down version of Volcano, sounds great with less knobbies.

someone mentioned modelling the Sherman Filterbank? I dont think anyone will do that successfully anytime soon.

 

[saemskin]

.Of course I would love UA to do a tape simulator and also some console saturation
stuff.

Why? What can something like that do that I cannot with a buss EQ and a great filter. See previous post...

nada.

Saturation plugins are fools gold. :twisted: If UA ever develops one I'm going to start an ANTI UNIVERSAL AUDIO campaign and protest outside of their headquarters every day until the plugin is recalled and they publicly apologize for wasting everyones time, and admit Saturation is not the saving grace people make it out to be.

 

[Awesom-o]

[quote="Awesom-o":885ldwf3]I love the DM-1, Modfilter, phasor plugins etc but they are sorely lacking in some major features, (like LFO phase sync for example).

Is this accurate? [/quote:885ldwf3]

Yes. These plugs have tempo sync, not facilities to sync the LFO cycle.