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Has UA hinted, or is there ANY info about a new UAD card?

Matt Hepworth

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I hear UAD-2 being dropped here and there and I've heard a couple of times about \"summer\" for some big UAD change.

Can we post all the semi-credible rumours here?


Is something in the works?

Will it be internal?
 

Tarekith

Member
This is the only offical word they have posted, from the new Webzine:

Will UA ever release a PCIe version of the UAD-1 and if so when?

UA is committed to supporting the PCIe platform on Mac and PC and while you will definitely see PCIe products from UA in the future, we have no specific product announcements at this time.
 

lordward

Active Member
Since UAD has NEVER brought out anything without ample notice and since we have not heard a thing about an upgrade (other than the PCIe version to be brought out at \"no specific\" date) to a more powerful card I now seriously doubt that anything will happen in the near future.

Too bad.....
Probably considering going completely Native?.....
 

danilop

Member
lordward said:
Probably considering going completely Native?.....

No thanks!!

I don't want to support companies like Waves who want money just to talk to you via e-mail. Their WUP is rip-off, not to mention their outrageous pricing policy!!!

And URS plug-ins are waay overpriced for just being OK sounding(IMO)!

The only native company which deserves attention at the moment is Sonalksis!

Instead, I'll get couple of SSL Duendes plus another Powercore mk2 while waiting for shiny new UAD!
 

guitarz

Active Member
UA is committed to supporting the PCIe platform on Mac and PC and while you will definitely see PCIe products from UA in the future, we have no specific product announcements at this time.
It makes sense for them to at least wait for final revisions of the upcoming desktop macintel machines.
 

lordward

Active Member
danilop said:
lordward said:
Probably considering going completely Native?.....

No thanks!!

I don't want to support companies like Waves who want money just to talk to you via e-mail. Their WUP is rip-off, not to mention their outrageous pricing policy!!!

And URS plug-ins are waay overpriced for just being OK sounding(IMO)!

The only native company which deserves attention at the moment is Sonalksis!

Instead, I'll get couple of SSL Duendes plus another Powercore mk2 while waiting for shiny new UAD!
I think you misuderstood me, what I meant was that perhaps UAD are considering making all there plugs Native plugs instead of investing resourses in the developement of a new and more powerful card. Afterall, the new computers are very powerful in the meantime. I've stated before that I'm almost sorry that I can't choose to use the DSP of the Card or my computer because, after all, you can only use a fraction of as many plugins per card as you could with a modern computer.

Time will tell........
 
lordward said:
danilop said:
lordward said:
Probably considering going completely Native?.....

No thanks!!

I don't want to support companies like Waves who want money just to talk to you via e-mail. Their WUP is rip-off, not to mention their outrageous pricing policy!!!

And URS plug-ins are waay overpriced for just being OK sounding(IMO)!

The only native company which deserves attention at the moment is Sonalksis!

Instead, I'll get couple of SSL Duendes plus another Powercore mk2 while waiting for shiny new UAD!
I think you misuderstood me, what I meant was that perhaps UAD are considering making all there plugs Native plugs instead of investing resourses in the developement of a new and more powerful card. Afterall, the new computers are very powerful in the meantime. I've stated before that I'm almost sorry that I can't choose to use the DSP of the Card or my computer because, after all, you can only use a fraction of as many plugins per card as you could with a modern computer.

Time will tell........
I've always got the impression that the real purpose of the card is to act as a copy protection dongle. I'm no PC expert but there might be some copy protection issues associated with letting you run the plugs on the card or your native DSP.

Then again I mix through an analog console usually (hence the forum name) and also use outboard...running out of DSP on my single card is an issue but I don't see much need for myself to go beyond two cards.

I think an upcoming PCIe version will likely have much more DSP (well duh :D ), allowing you to run a lot more plugs on a single card.

I think the key will be how/what UA does to the existing customer base...if there is an equitable trade in program for existing UAD-1 card owners to upgrade to PCIe then that will be great.

If they tell us we're SOL and to buy another card and Fleabay the existing UAD-1 cards, then that will suck.

I think UA will do the right thing though, I expect some kind of trade/upgrade program...after all having more power will just make us want to buy more plugs!

Analogeezer
 
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I have never gotten the impression the purpose of the card was for Copy protection. UA has always said that running plugins on the card frees up resources for other things and lets you run your system at a lower latency.
And that their plugins are more CPU intense than native plugins.

I bet the 1176LN would use a lot more CPU than 'insert plugin name here'.

I use the extra CPU for VSTi's

PCIe will not make the UAD-1 any better it would just have a faster BUS to the computer which isnt bottlenecked at this point anyway.
 

Mikem

Active Member
Hey Matt,

Despite some possible looming UAD-2's or whatnot, I went ahead and got my 3rd UAD-1 this week. I didn't want to wait for something that might still be months away. But I'd understand some hesitancy in getting deeper into a evermore obsolete PCI card.

But if you go to the JRR Shop and use the discount code \"forum\", you'll get 10% off, putting a new card at $360 (with free shipping, I think). Hard to pass up!

Having said that, I'm gonna stay with only 3 cards until whatever comes next.

-Mike (a local to you!)
 

Dan Duskin

Established Member
what's the point of PCIe? that would be WORSE! not only do I have no more slots... I have no PCIe slots... and Magma doesn't make PCIe units. if UA brings out a PCIe card you can pretty much say goodbye UAD...

Firewire is the only viable option. We can use more cards with PCI than we could with PCIe (how many mobo's do you know of that have tons of PCIe slots... please...)
 

Mikem

Active Member
Yeah, it's weird that they mention PCIe support, when Firewire would make more sense (and seems to be the trend with other DSP solutions).
 

Trace

Active Member
Well for one thing, FW isn't strong enough. We want UA to produce a more powerful single card and for that PCIe would be perfect. I'm not against FW, but its not as robust as PCIe and i'm sure they'd find a way to make it possible to add as much DSP as you'd need. I still think they'll go with a rackmount PCIe system in addition to internal PCIe cards. This would give them the power and flexibility to serve all their customers.

TRACE :)
 

Dan Duskin

Established Member
Trace said:
Well for one thing, FW isn't strong enough.
Well... my powercore firewire has loads more power than my two UAD-1's, and some people are using 4 powercore firewire units on the same firewire bus (also realise that it's half the latency of the UAD-1)... and that's 1394a, not 1394b (which is twice as fast).
 

daverich

Active Member
Dan Duskin said:
Trace said:
Well for one thing, FW isn't strong enough.
Well... my powercore firewire has loads more power than my two UAD-1's, and some people are using 4 powercore firewire units on the same firewire bus (also realise that it's half the latency of the UAD-1)... and that's 1394a, not 1394b (which is twice as fast).
aye - firewire is plenty powerful enough.

Kind regards

Dave Rich
 

Cat5

Established Member
Dan Duskin said:
what's the point of PCIe? that would be WORSE! not only do I have no more slots... I have no PCIe slots... and Magma doesn't make PCIe units. if UA brings out a PCIe card you can pretty much say goodbye UAD...

Firewire is the only viable option. We can use more cards with PCI than we could with PCIe (how many mobo's do you know of that have tons of PCIe slots... please...)
I have been saying this for a while now. PCI-E doesn't really hold any advantage in the way of DSP cards except in the case of the new PCI-E only macs.

There simply aren't enough of "either" type of slots in the latest boards.

I would be very surprised if UA's "hint" was referring to anything other than a PCI-E ---> PCI Magma type chassis with a Universal Audio logo on it.
 

Mikem

Active Member
That would be a fun thing. At least it would extend the life of the PCI cards in terms of compatibility.
 

cane creek

Established Member
danilop said:
lordward said:
Probably considering going completely Native?.....

No thanks!!

I don't want to support companies like Waves who want money just to talk to you via e-mail. Their WUP is rip-off, not to mention their outrageous pricing policy!!!

And URS plug-ins are waay overpriced for just being OK sounding(IMO)!

The only native company which deserves attention at the moment is Sonalksis!

Instead, I'll get couple of SSL Duendes plus another Powercore mk2 while waiting for shiny new UAD!
PSP make superb native plugins too.... :wink:
 
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