Hey Old Guys: Still Looking For That Bruford/Yes/Eddie Sound

[Suntower]

Is that a drum sound or -what-. I've noticed that every album Eddie Offord produced had just the nicest drum sound to -me-.

That Bruford sound: surprisingly beefy snare (even though high pitched) and the snare just POPS almost like a jazz BD.

So periodically, I ask... What's was the trick?

 

[chewie]

I hear you Suntower....awesome!
Basically it´s all in the tuning of the kit, nice room, and the PLAYING! My god, these guys were (are) great talents and I think Eddies job was a lot easier than one might think :wink: Just put up some mikes, point it at something and press rec...well just about anyway.

Chewie

 

[Suntower]

All these years I heard people saying, 'Oh that Bruford has a tiny high pitched tone. wimpy.' RUBBISH. On those records he's got a =huge= tone. And for some reason I've started obsessing over his DYNAMICS on the bass drum. He plays it ALL the time. Like a bebop guy. It never stops! It's just that he's playing it using (shocking!) DIFFERENT DYNAMICS. I think it must've been recorded -really- hot because when he pounds it ---it just EXPLODES.

And -all- Eddie's records are like that---ELP, King Crimson... They -all- have this singularly -full- sound that just pops out.

Are there resources anywhere where one can research this a bit more?

----JC

I hear you Suntower....awesome!
Basically it´s all in the tuning of the kit, nice room, and the PLAYING! My god, these guys were (are) great talents and I think Eddies job was a lot easier than one might think :wink: Just put up some mikes, point it at something and press rec...well just about anyway.

Chewie

 

[zepdave]

Hi.

Sun... the King Crimson's \"Larks' tongues in aspic\", \"Starless and bible black\" and \"Red\" era has the same Bruford sounds to me. He has the best kickdrum, what a \"woody\" tone.

I like the drum treatment in Tool's \"Lateralus\" and Soundgarden's \"Superunknown\" too. Very influenced by the Bruford years with Yes and KC, but like an actual recording.

I'm sure that the bassdrum of Bruford was mic'd with a lovely AKG D12, the personal favourite of Matt Cameron (Soundgarden drummer). I'd like to know the snare mic, but I think this has more to do with the snare itself than the mic. Matt usses Keplinger ones mic'd with SM57 (top and bottom) and Neumanns with SM57 at beater side on kicks.

Cheers all.