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i never bitch about uad......but

enough eq's allready....give us a tc 2290 delay or a eventide pitch unit
or a tc 1210 chorus...i have the hardware(best chorus anyware)..or even a tape buss plugin....i'm not so high on tape plugs anyway
 

Cabbage

Active Member
You do realize that the chance of UA doing a TC emu is close to zero? And Eventide already have their own line of plug-ins. You have to wish for something else, or your dreams will never come true.

Petter
 

wishingwell

Active Member
I'd love to see some high end reverb plug, but i also believe UA focuses mainly on what they do best i.e. vintage compressors and EQ's. I'm sure they'll make alot of different plugs as time passes (reverbs,delays,choruses etc) but still having their main focus on compressors and eq's. That's just my personal belief i got from looking at their plugin line, latest releases and what got them famous. I look forward to different types of plugs aswell but also the more compressors and eq's strategy don't bother me, i guess mainly because i'm always very impressed with them :p . I would also love to see another mastering-eq that's better then precision if there going to constantly do eq's.
 

Jeraz

Active Member
Have you demo'd it yet? If not, I suggest it. It's very good. I would like to see them do something currently stunning like the Manley SLAM or mic emulator, but I can't complain on this one.
 

kleinholgi

Shareholder
Forget it. I gave up expecting a modern unit from UAD.

Helios might be a very nice EQ. But why another legendary old fashioned unit from the 60s.

Don´t we have enough gear for Beatles, Hendrix and Who Sound ?

It seems, every piece of electronic with a birthday after 1975 is suspicious of spreading Ebola into the UAD laboratory.


Wonder what the next big thing is. Some legendary russian air force intercom amplifier from 1940 maybe?


But it makes no sense to blame them for what they are doing, cause the emulations of UAD are always state of the art and we should be happy to have them.
If you don´t need it, just don´t buy it ;)

Anyway...a Focusrite, Avalon, Manley or Weiss Emulation would be sooo cute..... ;)
 

Resonant Alien

Active Member
There is a reason that most high dollar studios have several racks full of different brands and models of \"real\" hardware EQs. Most equipment lists include Neves, APIs, Manleys, Pultecs, Helios, Massenberg, on and on. They all sound different and they are all good for different tasks. No EQ is the same, so having a wide variety gives a lot of options.

If you only produce one kind of music and always go for the same sound, then maybe you can do with one EQ, but if you producing a variety of material or go for different sounds from project to project then having a variety of EQs - hardware or software - can be invaluable.

Why are we always trying to make the UAD the be all end all jack of all trades does everything plugin platform. If you want an awesome reverb, get Altiverb and let UA do what they are good at - producing excellent emulations of classic analog gear.

I think its awesome that for a couple thousand $$ I can have a variety of EQs that would otherwise cost 10X as much in hardware.

But that's just me.
 

billybk1

Shareholder
Resonant Alien said:
If you want an awesome reverb, get Altiverb and let UA do what they are good at - producing excellent emulations of classic analog gear.
Exactly, that is their niche and they do it very well. Who else, but UA would have come up with a vintage emulation of a Helios type 69 EQ? Now it appears they will be working on some Valley People plugin emulations.

I read an article in which Joe Bryan (UA dev) stated that they specifically look for doing emulations that no one else is doing. If someone else has already done it then they are not really interested in doing the same plugin again.
 

wishingwell

Active Member
Resonant Alien said:
If you want an awesome reverb, get Altiverb and let UA do what they are good at - producing excellent emulations of classic analog gear.
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Me wanting a reverb should not be seen as irrelevant for a reverb is not what UA is against making but only what a few of their customers don't care for. Let us not forget reverbs is also a big part of their platform or they would not have made 3 of them right? I agree that compressors and eq's are their meat and potato plugins but let us not forget the Roland bundle. UA has shown evidence that they do branch out beyond compressors and eq's (wich i admitt is their main thing) but if you assume that's all their going to stick to or that that's all they care to do or should do then you've ignored the evidence. Also many of their customers love plate 140 and the Roland bundle, should their desires be cut short if they want more of those types plugins? Especially if they felt UA did a great job with plate 140 and Roland. UA hears your desires you have another vintage eq, don't be so quick to minimize or denigrate others desires, i assure you UA won't.
 

pogo

Member
Given that plug-ins are not exact, UA can model what ever they want, add their own interface and influence. They just can't call it by the original name.

If they had released the Helios 69 as UA-PAQ, would we know or care that it was modeled after the helios? They might not be able to charge as much, but it would still be an excellent EQ plug.

That said, while I like the vintage recreations, I would like to see them stretch their wings a bit and create some new tools based on what they have learned similar to the precision line. How about a \"character\" line of plug ins?

Although sweet phaser would be nice, and I still thing the measly PT delay sits in a mix better than any throw in delay around. JMHO
 

Paul Woodlock

Established Member
digitalson said:
enough eq's allready....give us a tc 2290 delay or a eventide pitch unit
or a tc 1210 chorus...i have the hardware(best chorus anyware)..or even a tape buss plugin....i'm not so high on tape plugs anyway
I would have agreed not so long ago.

But the Helios is so unique and sound s so good that I don't care at the moment. All that can wait!!

The Helios absolutely ROCKS!!! :D :D :D
 

Jeraz

Active Member
Paul Woodlock said:
digitalson said:
enough eq's allready....give us a tc 2290 delay or a eventide pitch unit
or a tc 1210 chorus...i have the hardware(best chorus anyware)..or even a tape buss plugin....i'm not so high on tape plugs anyway
I would have agreed not so long ago.

But the Helios is so unique and sound s so good that I don't care at the moment. All that can wait!!

The Helios absolutely ROCKS!!! :D :D :D
Ha ha...I was curious what you thought of this one. It is fun, isn't it? :wink:
 

Big Harpe

Active Member
I agree Digitalson. We have a lot of EQ's a;ready, no matter how good it sounds. I can still dial in most EQ settings using the EX-1. I mean. that sounds great too.

How are things by the way?
 

Resonant Alien

Active Member
I'm not against UA doing any plug they want. That was part of my point. They should make what they feel they can do well and make money on. I'm not against people wishing they would do some other plug or this or that either. But bitching because they put out another killer EQ plug instead of X gets old. There are other plug manufacturers out there, we can buy their products too. If UA can top something someone has already done, that's awesome (the Neve was a perfect example - their Neve blew URS Neve out of the water IMO), but doing something that has already been done well....

UA's niche seems to be modeling classic analog gear. Everything they have done has fit that model - either \"name brand\" analog emulations like 1176, LA2A, Neve, Roland, Helios, Pultec, Fairchild, Plate 140, or un-named generic, but still based on analog principles like Cambridge and the Precision series. I have no idea what their strategy is, but they seem to stick pretty close to this philosophy.

There are very few analog reverb units that can be emulated. The EMT 140 plate is an analog device, so that made sense (and I LOVE the Plate 140 BTW). I don't really count DreamVerb and RealVerb as \"UA emulations\" because they were not done by UA, but by Kind of Loud before UA took over. The Space Echo, Dimension D and Boss were analog devices, so that was cool as well. They could model a Fender spring reverb box, but that doesn't sound too interesting. Other than that, reverbs mainly consist of modeling different types of rooms and spaces rather than physical hardware units. Altiverb and Wizooverb have that pretty much nailed. I wonder if UA could make a digital reverb that sound anymore like a real room than Altiverb? Even if they could, how much DSP would that take? (and then everyone would complain about that).

With delays, it is kind of similar. Almost all non-tape-based delay units that could be modeled are digital (TC, Lexi, Eventide). Based on their past output, it doesn't seem that UA would be interested in digitally modeling a digital device. Besides, TC isn't about to let UA model their units officially since that would cut into PowerCore sells. PSP Audioware has an official Lexi delay which is awesome, so could UA really bring something else to the table?

I think something that would fit their niche and be uber-cool at the same time would be modeling a complete Studer tape machine - and I don't mean just modeling the saturation and compression characteristics, which is what most people refer to when they talk about this. I mean allowing you to do things with the plug that you would do with actual tape machines, like flanging and delay, in addition to using it to saturate your tracks. So it becomes sort of a multi-effects kind of plug where you can use 2 instances to add real-time tape flanging by clicking and dragging on one machines reels, or do real-time tape delay, or you can use it to add tape saturation, or you could switch out different types of \"tape\" or different virtual heads for different EQ......ahhhh that sounds nice
 

Arys Chien

Active Member
Don't let the names deceive you. Calling it \"Helios\" \"69\" doesn't mean that it won't work for modern tunes.

In fact, it works great. You just have to use it IN A MIX to find out its magic. I didn't like it that much when I was A/Bing it with other UA EQ plug-ins. Yet it really nailed a mix for me later last night.

Anyway, don't let the name fool you.

Also, I don't think we already have enough eq plug-ins. There are too many eq plug-ins out there, but the ones I'm willing to use in a mix? Not enough, really. Please give me more.

------

I don't think reverb is where UA is good at, at least IMHO. I know that there are people loving their Dreamverb and Plate 140, but not me. I always prefer the VSS3 from PowerCore over these UA reverbs.

And then two days ago I just got my Reverb 4000 that simply kicked the VSS3 plug-in out of my bed. My faith about reverb plug-ins has been totally crashed.
 

Cabbage

Active Member
I am sort of in both camps. I would not have bought the Helios if it would not have been for the sale and my $75 voucher.

For me, there is absolutely no return of investment in buying another $200 EQ plug-in, and I am pretty sure this is the case for the great majority of us. Sure, I exchanged two 1081s for Helios, and on one track I felt it sounded better (on the other the 1081 was better), but will anyone ever hear that difference in the mix, no way! Most regular people cannot hear a difference when A/Bing things like these. Even though it is only $200, most us us will have a diffucult time earning that money back with the value this one plug-in brings. This is difficult to accept, but you have to if you want to run a successful business.

I buy all UA stuff because I am what the French call \"amateur\", I love this stuff. This is my one big interest and I get off on these things. But I will pass on the next EQ, I cannot keep spending money I am not getting back on this stuff. I am not buying a Valley People EQ no matter what (but if it is the parametric API I will be tempted).

Also, I feel the real reason that many studios have different flavours of EQ is more related to the limitations of the different makes and models, not primarily their sonic character. I am sure that if HW would have the flexibility of say Cambridge (and sound like high-end analog), most people would feel one type of EQ is sufficient. This would be the case in 99% of all studios, if not taking the show-off-factor into account.

Petter
 

Suntower

Established Member
Digitalson, I feel ya.

Although the Helios is cool, and all the other EQs are cool, there are really only two things that I -really- need to make my 'in the box' experience complete:

Tape Emulation
LEXICON, LEXICON, LEXICON

And I'll probably grouse my ass off until there are decent VST solutions to both these problems.

For me, everything else is just gravy now. But I -need- those two. And actually, if I had to prioritise, it would be

LEXICON
LEXICON
LEXICON
and then... Tape Emulator. Why? Because, frankly, I can always run tracks through a buddy's deck. But I can't seem to find anyone who will loan me a 480 for.... oh.... a couple of years at a time. :mrgreen:

I don't need another $4,000 compressor. I'd -like- some of those old comps. But I NEEEEEEEEED a $4,000 Lexicon for about $300.

---JC
 

jwnc

Member
Suntower

If you need a lexi then check out Ik multimedia CSR reverb plug in and you will pretty much have one..

JW
 
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