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If Liquid Mix turns out like they promise...

Rich_Elam

Active Member
...will I end up needing my two UAD-1s?

I love my compressor plugs, and I use the Cambridge and Pultec quite a bit, but it seems like they would be rendered redundant.

I don't use any other UAD plugs (ie reverbs, etc..) right now, but if Liquid Mix is the real thing, i may have to start, just to keep getting value from my investment.

Of course, I am not convinced that anyone can deliver what Focusrite is promising for the money. But I'm hoping :)

Has anyone heard what compressor and EQ models they would be providing?
 

A Gruesome Discovery

Active Member
I think they'd work well together- you'll have 32 channels of good compressors and eq's, and you can then use the UAD stuff on the most important tracks. I'm basing this on my time with the Liquid Channel, which has some nice models, but still doesn't outdo the comperable UAD plugins. You'll definitely have more variety with the LiquidMix, but trust me; you will most likely not be using the Liquid Mix's 1176 or LA-2A over UAD's- they just seemed to lack something. (I'm assuming that the comps and eq's in the LiquidMix are the same as the Liquid Channel- if this isn't the case, then forget what I just said).
 

robi

Member
EQs on Liquid Channel? I don't think it has any?!

The gear the Liquid Mix models however you can find on the website of focusrite:

http://www.focusrite.com/productdetails ... =downloads

best, robi

BTW, I don't think there's anything to say about if the Liquid Mix kicks some uad-a** or the other way around since nobody has used one. Unless you say the dancetech video made it for you.
 

A Gruesome Discovery

Active Member
robi said:
EQs on Liquid Channel? I don't think it has any?!
The different preamp models made the master EQ behave differently, but yeah it doesn't have full-fledged EQ models- just a few bands, but apparently they were modeled. I imagine the liquidmix is more fully featured, yes.
EDIT: Hm, apparently the LC's eq was based on the Focusrite ISA110, so never mind. I guess that's why I wasn't too impressed with the eq. :D
I stand by the compressor comments, however.
 
As far as I know neither the Liquid Mix nor the new SSL thing do upsample. You'd have to work at 192khz to get where the UAD-1 Neve goes. Of course, that would leave only 8 Mono or 4 Stereo Channels from one firewire interface...
 

Eric Dahlberg

Purveyor of musical dreams fullfilled.
Is there a reason convolution would benefit from upsampling the way modeled plug-ins do?
 

Tony Ostinato

Active Member
the point is moo because neither liquid mix or duende go up to 192k they both top off at 96k AFAIK.

in the recent blindfold test we saw the difference between 1073 and an impulse and you could hear it pretty easy, i dont know how thatll reflect. perhaps better impulsing could be done.

but theres other limitations to dynamic convolution, you wont be doing any ce-1's or dimension-d's and to do delay and reverb on liquid mix youll have to get their memory expansion card.

the upside is that their fairchild and 1176 take the same dsp because its all sampled impulses instead of trying to model different circuits so their arent any comparatively \"light\" or \"heavy\" plugins they are all the same.

duende doesnt use DC it uses just straight algorithms ported (not really ported its the same sharc dsp\" from their consoles.

the whole 192k thing, its endlessly debatable whether humans can even hear that stuff.

then again maybe its shortsighted to think your audience will always (or is even now) limited to humans. there have been more ufo sightings since we went to 24bit.......
 
Well, you can hear there is a difference between 44,1 and 192 comparing the 1073 and the 1073 SE.
I'm not too convinced about that Focusrite thing, since opinions on the Liquid Channel are mixed at best. I'm having rather high hopes concerning Duende, however, if you want maximum quality you're bound to work at least at 88,1, and that'll reduce the maximum channel number by half. Still, 16 Channels of SSL compressors and EQs plus the bus compressor are not that bad at all...
 

secretworld

Active Member
Tony Ostinato said:
then again maybe its shortsighted to think your audience will always (or is even now) limited to humans. there have been more ufo sightings since we went to 24bit.......
Ha Ha Ha post of the year!!!!! :D :D :D :D
 

Rich_Elam

Active Member
The point about what types of effects the Liquid Mix won't ever be able to support is well taken. Maybe the Roland bundle will keep my UADs busy.

Thanks for the link to the models, BTW. It would be sweet if it delivers the goods.
 

cAPSLOCK

Active Member
Eric Dahlberg said:
Is there a reason convolution would benefit from upsampling the way modeled plug-ins do?
In exactly the same way that high res samples sound better than 16/44. Of course the impulses would need to be in the upsampled format to begin with. It would make

But for what it's worth I think the thing should sound pretty nice even at lower sample rates.

The sheer choice of EQs will make it a valuable unit. I think it will be quite successful.

cAPS
 

JuergenW

Active Member
I am kind of aware of the Liquid-Hype... it sounds too good for the bucks.
The control surface looks very nice...

But: A Unit that provides 1 compressor and 7 band eq convolution the
same time for 32 channels??? 8x32 = 256 convolution processes in
High Quality with DSPs inside this plasticbox (without melting it down)?
Come on! For that price - ever used Waves Q-Clone in 256 instances
on a machine? Imagine what power it would take and how hot a CPU would
get doing it?

Smells strange to me...

Anyway, the amount of compressors and EQ´s is impressive!
Hope the quality also...

BTW: SILVER 4 / US Model Tube 1 EQ: based on Avalon 2055

that one is 100% discrete without even transformers :wink:
 

JuergenW

Active Member
living sounds said:
Now I watched this video (http://www.7161.com/video/dancetech_liq ... w_divx.zip) - and I want one, too!
Nice presentation and talk, but how can someone judge anything with
this video - with a camcorder-mic :|

Kind of fooling, they use the compressor mainly as a makeup-gain...
look at 26:50 when they show "with and without" fairchild impulse...
Gainchange about 6-8 dB - anything would sound "better" or say louder :wink:

Anyway, looking forward to check this unit.
 

jcat

Active Member
JuergenW said:
But: A Unit that provides 1 compressor and 7 band eq convolution the
same time for 32 channels??? 8x32 = 256 convolution processes in
High Quality with DSPs inside this plasticbox (without melting it down)?
Come on! For that price - ever used Waves Q-Clone in 256 instances
on a machine? Imagine what power it would take and how hot a CPU would
get doing it?

Smells strange to me...
That's probably why they're using DSP's and not general purpose CPU's :D

Let's not have this whole debate again! :wink:



Cheers,

jcat
 

cAPSLOCK

Active Member
plus convolution done with tiny little EQ impulses can be done very very very efficiently.
 

Dan Duskin

Established Member
LiquidMix should be a great channel-strip!
My plan is to use LiquidMix for tracks, UAD for groups, and UAD/Powercore for FX sends.

For me... the best thing about the Liquid Mix is the interface! i.e., I can grab two or more knobs at the same time, on a controller with a LCD that shows what I'm doing (not looking up at a screen and twisting knobs on a controller than needed to be programmed).
 

neil wilkes

Venerated Member
I'm not too convinced about that Focusrite thing, since opinions on the Liquid Channel are mixed at best.
But the LiquidMix is not the same as the LiquidChannel.
LiquidChannel is a stereo preamp.
LiquidMix gives 32 tracks of Compression & 7 band EQ guaranteed at 48KHz, and 16 at 96KHz.

The comps will not be as good as our UAD stuff, as it's all convolution based.
What it will give is is options.
And allow us to save the precious UAD DSP cycles for the mission critical bits.

Duende?
Not even slightly interested, as I personally loathe SSL desks. Always have, always will. Give me a Neve, Amek or an old Trident every time.
Forget SSL.
 

polygen

Active Member
JuergenW said:
But: A Unit that provides 1 compressor and 7 band eq convolution the
same time for 32 channels??? 8x32 = 256 convolution processes in
High Quality with DSPs inside this plasticbox (without melting it down)?
no that's not the way it works. you can do all the processes within one channel with just one convolution; it's just a frequency domain multiplication. 32 convolution processes would still put a heavy strain on a normal CPU, so if the liquid thang sounds good it would be an ok deal i guess.
 
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