K-System metering in PL is great, but...

[lazlominimart]

...I'd rather have world-class dithering in that plug. Something comparable to or better than Pow-R.

I hate having to use UV-22 in Nuendo. It's not bad, but I hate having to give up a master insert just to use it, and I'm sure UA could best it.

Am I alone?

 

[TheEastGateMS]

http://www.voxengo.com/product/r8brainpro/

 

[Akis]

http://www.voxengo.com/product/r8brainpro/

This one's a sample rate converter, not a dithering plug-in. :?

 

[lazlominimart]

Yes... what an odd response...

I don't mind the dither in Elephant 2, actually, but I prefer the PL to Elephant in most situations these days.

 

[Eddie Macarthur]

izotope ozone is a great mastering suite that also includes configurable dithering. there is a demo available.
Ed

 

[Tarekith]

I'd like to second the vote for dithering in Prec Lim. Seems an odd omission to me...

Not a biggy as Wavelab has UV22, but still kinda weird...

 

[lazlominimart]

izotope ozone is a great mastering suite that also includes configurable dithering. there is a demo available.
Ed

The problem with this is that I dislike Ozone a great deal.

 

[bugsstar]

why dislike ozone ?

 

[lazlominimart]

why dislike ozone ?

I don't like the way it sounds.

 

[NT]

Ditto

 

[TheEastGateMS]

http://www.voxengo.com/product/r8brainpro/

This one's a sample rate converter, not a dithering plug-in. :?

Yes... what an odd response...

I don't mind the dither in Elephant 2, actually, but I prefer the PL to Elephant in most situations these days.

you have to be $#!tting me.

"r8brain PRO's bit-depth conversion is limited to flat dithering. We have decided not to implement noise-shaping dithering because pro audio production software available on the market usually offers the user noise-shaping dithering of some kind already. We also based our decision on the fact that the sample rate conversion process often adjusts peak structure of the original program material, thus, in many cases, making a subsequent peak-limiting a necessity. To prevent output audio from clipping we have implemented a level normalization feature."

i suppose that if you wanted noise-shaping dithering, you are correct, but otherwise.... WTF????

 

[lazlominimart]

Another odd response!

You don't use r8brain pro for dithering. That quote from Aleksey basically says as much -- use r8brain pro (which has no noise-shaping dither) for your sample rate conversion, and then use a noise-shaping dither when you mix/master.

So, in short, yes, I want noise-shaping dither. Like UV-22. Or Pow-R. Or any of the other popular mastering dithers. r8brain is not the tool I'm looking for. (Although it is a fantastic SRC tool.)

:|

 

[TheEastGateMS]

Another odd response!

You don't use r8brain pro for dithering. That quote from Aleksey basically says as much -- use r8brain pro (which has no noise-shaping dither) for your sample rate conversion, and then use a noise-shaping dither when you mix/master.

So, in short, yes, I want noise-shaping dither. Like UV-22. Or Pow-R. Or any of the other popular mastering dithers. r8brain is not the tool I'm looking for. (Although it is a fantastic SRC tool.)

:|

i cannot for the life of me figure out how my responses were odd.

you asked for dithering, i provided a link to a solution. i was called odd. was it just because it is not noise shaping but rather is flat? i then indicated that you probably erred and really just wanted noise shaping and you confirmed that. i was called odd again. so, WTF?

noise shaping is a more specific form of dithering. don't call me odd when you were unclear.

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2280.html

[edit] - to clarify further, i have always used uv22hr and have not familiarized myself with pow-r. i have now and understand why i should have assumed that you wanted noise shaping. but it doesn't change my point that r8brain does have dithering which you said it is not used for.

 

[lazlominimart]

Sorry if my posts were inflamatory, EastGate.

My original post was about including dither in PL. Akin to the dithering found in other limiters (L2, Elephant, etc.) and dither plugs (UV-22, Pow-R). All such dithers are noise-shaping.

So your response linking to info about r8brain seemed odd to me, as that is a stand-alone application that can not be used on the master bus post-limiter. I suppose you could export with PL as the last plug in the chain, without using a dither, and then resample using r8brain... but I would want noise-shaping dither, not flat dither, which is all that r8brain has.

And, generally, I would not want to resample a file that has already been peak-limited (even with an app as great as r8brain).

 

[polygen]

i think that creating a top-notch dithering algo (a mediocre one wouldn't cut it) is a little more work than you may think; so the same reasoning of voxengo is likely to have taken place at UA: people usually already have noise shaped dither algos in their hosts, why waste resources on adopting another one?

also there's the \"ultra-dither\" in hardware that dithers the audio *down* to 32bit float after processing on the card....adding another layer of dither may not be such a great idea?

 

[lazlominimart]

I didn't say it would be easy -- only that I wanted it.