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liquid mix
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neil wilkes
Venerated Member
Mac only 
JuergenW
Active Member
Today I came in touch with the Liquid mix @ 44.1 KHz operation.
The compressors are really nice to adjust, and add much more
flavour than I expected!! The EQ´s however aren´t my choice...
Maybe at higher samplerates they´ll sound sweeter in the highs.
(I just had a few minutes to get impressions in a Music Store)
All in all it´s nice for the money. The surface is good for adjusting
the compressor - the eq section is not that comfortable to edit,
due to no direct access to all bands the same time.
The compressors are really nice to adjust, and add much more
flavour than I expected!! The EQ´s however aren´t my choice...
Maybe at higher samplerates they´ll sound sweeter in the highs.
(I just had a few minutes to get impressions in a Music Store)
All in all it´s nice for the money. The surface is good for adjusting
the compressor - the eq section is not that comfortable to edit,
due to no direct access to all bands the same time.
Eric Dahlberg
Purveyor of musical dreams fullfilled.
Strange! I would've expected the opposite.JuergenW said:
Hi Guys,
I've been using the Liquid mix for over a month now!!! Infact, I just finished a track last night, using the Lmix...The Lmix is great, I totally dig it.
The EQ is nice, not as astounding as i imagined it would be, but with the usage over the past few days mixing, I think its done a great job, for the mix overall. It's like TANG (the drink remember). Not too sweet, nor too tangy, just afloat in between.. :wink:
The Compressor is flexible, infact too versatile, really like it. I can't say it was very aggressive harmonically, even though I tried to push it to go agro. But nonetheless, it gave class when asked for it, and rigid if need be or just calm and smooth if called for. friggin gymnast!!!
Anyway, I did have a few sputters in the session. I guess, they were due to my Powercore FW, sharing the FW card. But, overall a rock solid experience.
Now, a word from experience.
Having owned the Powercore FW/ 2x UAD/ and now the LMix, I've come to the following conclusions. I can't say the LMix experience was overwhelming, although sound wise, the mix sounds so much more different than using the Poco or UAD's, which was nice, to add that to the sound palette… was cool. The ergonomics could have been better, but I am a sound person, a little trouble doesn't stop me from seeking new toys, its part of the deal. But, after having tried it at the shop, I did find my hands seeking for my wallet, which is a good sign and a bad one monatary wise…Damn! Plugs.
Now, I await the SSL Duende……. OOpppsss... here go the hands again :wink:
Cheers!
I've been using the Liquid mix for over a month now!!! Infact, I just finished a track last night, using the Lmix...The Lmix is great, I totally dig it.
The EQ is nice, not as astounding as i imagined it would be, but with the usage over the past few days mixing, I think its done a great job, for the mix overall. It's like TANG (the drink remember). Not too sweet, nor too tangy, just afloat in between.. :wink:
The Compressor is flexible, infact too versatile, really like it. I can't say it was very aggressive harmonically, even though I tried to push it to go agro. But nonetheless, it gave class when asked for it, and rigid if need be or just calm and smooth if called for. friggin gymnast!!!
Anyway, I did have a few sputters in the session. I guess, they were due to my Powercore FW, sharing the FW card. But, overall a rock solid experience.
Now, a word from experience.
Having owned the Powercore FW/ 2x UAD/ and now the LMix, I've come to the following conclusions. I can't say the LMix experience was overwhelming, although sound wise, the mix sounds so much more different than using the Poco or UAD's, which was nice, to add that to the sound palette… was cool. The ergonomics could have been better, but I am a sound person, a little trouble doesn't stop me from seeking new toys, its part of the deal. But, after having tried it at the shop, I did find my hands seeking for my wallet, which is a good sign and a bad one monatary wise…Damn! Plugs.
Now, I await the SSL Duende……. OOpppsss... here go the hands again :wink:
Cheers!
Dan Duskin
Established Member
I'm drooling over LiquidMix, mostly because it has a kick ass controller!
JuergenW
Active Member
It´s strange, but in Logic the meters of the Liquid Mix doesn´t match
with Logic´s. In fact it´s about 4 dBFS lower in the Liquid Mix than
in Logic´s channel meter (what really bothers me). :?
The EQ´s are okay for anything but treble - at this it´s not much better
than Channel EQ (at 44.1 KHz). All EQ models lack dynamic - don´t
expect the big \"Ah ha!\" like with UA-Neve or Pultec. They´re static to
my ears. But the compression sounds nice! 8)
with Logic´s. In fact it´s about 4 dBFS lower in the Liquid Mix than
in Logic´s channel meter (what really bothers me). :?
The EQ´s are okay for anything but treble - at this it´s not much better
than Channel EQ (at 44.1 KHz). All EQ models lack dynamic - don´t
expect the big \"Ah ha!\" like with UA-Neve or Pultec. They´re static to
my ears. But the compression sounds nice! 8)
JuergenW
Active Member
...one hour later...JuergenW said:
Sorry, but after using the device today for a longer time I have
to change my statement: To my ears this unit sucks finally!
In fact, all compressor replicas sound nearly the same. You can´t
adjust the attack/release times precise enough, also the release
times are really slowish!! you can´t get punch out of the
compressor - no compare to UA-1176/ LA2A and Fairchild!
Dynamic Convolution can´t beat circuit emulation - after this
session this is more clear for me.
digigem
Member
OHH *HIT, JUST PAID FOR MINE... SHOULD'NT BE TOO BAD I GET IT FROM FOCUSRITE DIRECT FOR REALLY CHEAP(retailers Price), JUST HOPE ITS NOT COMPLETLY USELESS.
More Feedback on Liquid Mix @
http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.p ... 400&page=8
More Feedback on Liquid Mix @
http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.p ... 400&page=8
JuergenW
Active Member
I remind the following UA-webzine article:
http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2004/july/index2.html
And it´s true! You can´t do good compressor emulation with
convolution. It can´t react like a circuit.
I tried the 1176 convolution in ALL-BUTTON mode... anyone
who has tried it loves the crank´d up and brutal sound it
does. Because the UA-1176 is a feedback compressor it \"calculates\"
the GR-sidechain after the Gainreduction.
But in the convolution it calculates sample by sample, there
is no reaction (feedback) after an actual gain reduction.
It sounds slowish as an old chewing gum and has nothing to do
with 1176 All-Button!! NO compare! period :!:
http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2004/july/index2.html
And it´s true! You can´t do good compressor emulation with
convolution. It can´t react like a circuit.
I tried the 1176 convolution in ALL-BUTTON mode... anyone
who has tried it loves the crank´d up and brutal sound it
does. Because the UA-1176 is a feedback compressor it \"calculates\"
the GR-sidechain after the Gainreduction.
But in the convolution it calculates sample by sample, there
is no reaction (feedback) after an actual gain reduction.
It sounds slowish as an old chewing gum and has nothing to do
with 1176 All-Button!! NO compare! period :!:
Hey guys,
I'm just giving one a try now.......
I will not buy this unit. I'd rather use some native plugins Teleported with another computer. It's the same price in the long run and I find that my Waves SSL bundle sounds much nicer and are easier (nostalgically speaking) to handle.
Nope.... I'm really not impressed. But I'm also one of the people who laughed the first time I tried to get some use out of the Liquid Channel (yuk!).
I also had sputter problems, probably due to a Powercore FW (I'm trying this unit at another studio I am working at now, not my own) sharing the same FW port.
This is just my opinion after trying to do a mix for one day and I will use the unit now simply because I am limited in DSP where I am working at the moment. Perhaps I'll change my opinion but I seriously doubt it. I might give it a second try when it becomes available for PC. I'm more impressed by the price and what it does for the price and I really WANT this thing to sound good..... but my ears are not giving me that benefit of a doubt.... damn.....
When you get the chance try it yourself, it's the only way really.
DW
I'm just giving one a try now.......
I will not buy this unit. I'd rather use some native plugins Teleported with another computer. It's the same price in the long run and I find that my Waves SSL bundle sounds much nicer and are easier (nostalgically speaking) to handle.
Nope.... I'm really not impressed. But I'm also one of the people who laughed the first time I tried to get some use out of the Liquid Channel (yuk!).
I also had sputter problems, probably due to a Powercore FW (I'm trying this unit at another studio I am working at now, not my own) sharing the same FW port.
This is just my opinion after trying to do a mix for one day and I will use the unit now simply because I am limited in DSP where I am working at the moment. Perhaps I'll change my opinion but I seriously doubt it. I might give it a second try when it becomes available for PC. I'm more impressed by the price and what it does for the price and I really WANT this thing to sound good..... but my ears are not giving me that benefit of a doubt.... damn.....
When you get the chance try it yourself, it's the only way really.
DW
Dan Duskin
Established Member
Anyone else try LiquidMix yet?
BobYordan
Member
I just listened to Liquid Mix & Duende in the local music store for 1 hour.Dan Duskin said:
And I was more impressed with the Duende sound in that short time.
Especially the Eq.
Sadly it is to expensive for my needs.
I agree that the Liquid Mix controller is very cool. 8)
I also think that impulses are not ideal for dynamic processing.
There where no Eq presets except for building block Eq presets, as far as I could see. :-k
Perhaps if Focurite added some reverb also it might be more attractive?
WildCowboys
Active Member
there is a drumfile on dancetech.com processed with different models of the LMix dynamics. The models definiteley sound different from each other, and I even remembered the sound of my old Joemeek comp that I sold 7 years ago....I could tell the C2 emulation out of the bunch anytime...so I have to disagree that there are almost no differences in sound between the compressor models.....and honestly, though I did not tweak any parameters myself, the resulting sound did not suck in any way, it sounded very good in fact.
can´t say anything about the eqs, never heard them.
and I also disagree with the generalisation that dynamics cannot be done well with convolution. as far as I know the waves SSL plugins are convolution based (please correct me if i am wrong) and they sound excellent. besides, the original sintefex machines were loved by many, many professional mixers and engineers so far, so dynamic convolution should be far from a bad concept.
rock on!
pat
can´t say anything about the eqs, never heard them.
and I also disagree with the generalisation that dynamics cannot be done well with convolution. as far as I know the waves SSL plugins are convolution based (please correct me if i am wrong) and they sound excellent. besides, the original sintefex machines were loved by many, many professional mixers and engineers so far, so dynamic convolution should be far from a bad concept.
rock on!
pat
the compressors sound different !
if you have a hard time hearing that you need to do something different, i don't know what maybe stop making music or focus...
\"Dynamic Convolution can´t beat circuit emulation\"
well it's really taking off just now so we might just wait with that conclusion
besides measuring inside the machine is also dynamic convolution. You measure 1 point to another. The more known \"dynamic convolution\" uses the input and ouput but both are based on the same idea. There are also different ways to do the impulses, The more work that went into the impulses the better it sounds.
nobody complained with sintefex, nobody is complaining at Tritone, nobody is complaining with waves SSL, ...
Duende is a different story as it takes the math processing of their digital consoles. Different League.
Let's start with mixes instead of individual tracks. soloing a track might sound as crap but in the mix might fit perfectly. The liquid mix is very useable.
\"To my ears this unit sucks finally!\"
Take it back and get something else
extremes don't help anyone
if you have a hard time hearing that you need to do something different, i don't know what maybe stop making music or focus...
\"Dynamic Convolution can´t beat circuit emulation\"
well it's really taking off just now so we might just wait with that conclusion
besides measuring inside the machine is also dynamic convolution. You measure 1 point to another. The more known \"dynamic convolution\" uses the input and ouput but both are based on the same idea. There are also different ways to do the impulses, The more work that went into the impulses the better it sounds.
nobody complained with sintefex, nobody is complaining at Tritone, nobody is complaining with waves SSL, ...
Duende is a different story as it takes the math processing of their digital consoles. Different League.
Let's start with mixes instead of individual tracks. soloing a track might sound as crap but in the mix might fit perfectly. The liquid mix is very useable.
\"To my ears this unit sucks finally!\"
Take it back and get something else
extremes don't help anyone