Logic Audio and delaycomp

[rymdprojekt]

Hi!

I was wondering about this Delaycomp plugin and how it works....

I use a UAD-1 and Logic Audio 5.5.1 on my PC... i guess the \"plugin delay compensation\" works ok but when i use BUS'es and AUX'es then its getting a bit complicated

Could someone please please explain how this works....and maybe give me some tips for an easy setup?

And this latency the card have when i play on the keybord, there is nothing i can do about that, right? other then to maybe raise the samplerate to 192khz in my sequencer which will
then be on its knees


I also have a Powercore card and how does these two work togeather when using bus'es and aux'es? isnt it very tricky if i have a few of both on the same bus?

thanks for your time...

Fredrik

 

[bröselmind]

My advise: Switch to a different software (Cubase, Samplitude...). I have also worked with Logic PC and it made my hair turn to grey.
I have done the switch and all I have missed in Logic, I found in Cubase.
With Logic I have avoided to use any UAD-Pluing in busses because it's a pain in the ass. With Cubase it's so easy and I use subgroup compressing a lot more than before.

 

[lordnielson]

I'm on pc 5.5.1.

I guess you are using the aux's as exs24 or vsti multi channels. I do.

If you put an 1176 on an \"audio instrument\", you can put a UAD plug on the connected Aux's and all will be in sync. Doesn't make a lot of sense but that's how I use it with my drum vsti.

Bussing is a bitch. In my default I've got all audiotracks set to bus 10 all my audio instruments on 11 and aux's on 12. I can then easily reconfigure that to my needs as the track progresses. Bussing in old analog studios was an equally large bitch, but they still made some good stuff back then.

I've only got one card so I economize between vocals and drums. Not everything in a mix needs an 1176, la2a and 1073 on it.

Still find Cubase/Nuendo a bit cluttered. I guess I'll have to give in at some point. Macintels look good. Logic pro on osx looks tempting. Either that or Samplitude (expensive).


Regards

 

[macmusic78]

well in logic 7 the delay compensation works perfect - so it´s not a logic problem.... logic 5 is old - yes i know on a pc you can´t get the new logic.
Just wanted to let you know it´s not logic in general....

 

[rymdprojekt]

I'm on pc 5.5.1.

I guess you are using the aux's as exs24 or vsti multi channels. I do.

If you put an 1176 on an "audio instrument", you can put a UAD plug on the connected Aux's and all will be in sync. Doesn't make a lot of sense but that's how I use it with my drum vsti.

Bussing is a bitch. In my default I've got all audiotracks set to bus 10 all my audio instruments on 11 and aux's on 12. I can then easily reconfigure that to my needs as the track progresses. Bussing in old analog studios was an equally large bitch, but they still made some good stuff back then.

I've only got one card so I economize between vocals and drums. Not everything in a mix needs an 1176, la2a and 1073 on it.

Still find Cubase/Nuendo a bit cluttered. I guess I'll have to give in at some point. Macintels look good. Logic pro on osx looks tempting. Either that or Samplitude (expensive).


Regards

i dont like cubase either....just seem very wrong where they put things...i have tried serveral time but i just gave up......

i guess that i can run logic in 96khz but that will take much of my cpu....

i want logic 7 as well....but then i guess i will have to buy a rather fast mac....and then i wont be able to use any vsti's either

 

[rymdprojekt]

lordnielson; do u have any advice what to do when i have delay compensation activated in logic and then starts to play a track and the first notes are playing much faster and sometimes the second note dissapears....(on the tracks which i have uad stuff on)

this i know doesnt happen in cubase btw....


Fredrik

 

[lordnielson]

lordnielson; do u have any advice what to do when i have delay compensation activated in logic and then starts to play a track and the first notes are playing much faster and sometimes the second note dissapears....(on the tracks which i have uad stuff on)

this i know doesnt happen in cubase btw....


Fredrik

Start a couple of bars early. Like 1 or 2 bars of silence before the track starts.

Logic pc is quirky and it's age is starting to show. But fundamentally it's a very good, stable and simple program once you get it. For writing it's still so damn fast. It's the mixing part that's getting a bit tired.

I bought my uad card a year ago. I haven't really started using it properly till about a month or two ago because of the latency issue. Pure laziness really. You need to pay serious attention to phase problems caused by other plugins as well, especially when working like I do with drums mainly on aux channels. It is rather limiting, which is annoying, but not always a bad thing.


Lord

 

[rymdprojekt]

lordnielson; do u have any advice what to do when i have delay compensation activated in logic and then starts to play a track and the first notes are playing much faster and sometimes the second note dissapears....(on the tracks which i have uad stuff on)

this i know doesnt happen in cubase btw....


Fredrik

Start a couple of bars early. Like 1 or 2 bars of silence before the track starts.

Logic pc is quirky and it's age is starting to show. But fundamentally it's a very good, stable and simple program once you get it. For writing it's still so damn fast. It's the mixing part that's getting a bit tired.

I bought my uad card a year ago. I haven't really started using it properly till about a month or two ago because of the latency issue. Pure laziness really. You need to pay serious attention to phase problems caused by other plugins as well, especially when working like I do with drums mainly on aux channels. It is rather limiting, which is annoying, but not always a bad thing.


Lord

hi again!

i was actually meaning when i start to play the song anywhere....its annoying!!
too bad i really love logic!! and i can work real fast in it.....cubase takes forewer and i get bored real quick..

what do u mean with phase problems in Logic btw? has it anything to do with the UAD?

Fredrik

 

[lordnielson]

hi again!

i was actually meaning when i start to play the song anywhere....its annoying!!
too bad i really love logic!! and i can work real fast in it.....cubase takes forewer and i get bored real quick..

what do u mean with phase problems in Logic btw? has it anything to do with the UAD?

Fredrik

Hi Fredrik

I don't actually have the problem with things speeding up. Could be an incompatibility between your audio device and Uad card.

No the Uad doesn't cause phase problems. It'll cause some seriously unmusical syncopations if it isn't delay compensated.

If you use Blockfish on your kick or snare for example, it will delay that track by miliseconds causing it to become out of phase with your bottom snare or overheads etc. Stuff will sound washed out and lose punch. You will need to find ways to manually compensate for these events.


Lord

 

[rymdprojekt]

hi again!

i was actually meaning when i start to play the song anywhere....its annoying!!
too bad i really love logic!! and i can work real fast in it.....cubase takes forewer and i get bored real quick..

what do u mean with phase problems in Logic btw? has it anything to do with the UAD?

Fredrik

Hi Fredrik

I don't actually have the problem with things speeding up. Could be an incompatibility between your audio device and Uad card.

No the Uad doesn't cause phase problems. It'll cause some seriously unmusical syncopations if it isn't delay compensated.

If you use Blockfish on your kick or snare for example, it will delay that track by miliseconds causing it to become out of phase with your bottom snare or overheads etc. Stuff will sound washed out and lose punch. You will need to find ways to manually compensate for these events.


Lord

its this a logic bug then? or does this happens in other sequencers as well?

 

[lordnielson]

is this a logic bug then? or does this happens in other sequencers as well?

No, no bug. Just what happens when plugin delay isn't compensated, as is the case with Logic pc.

 

[rymdprojekt]

is this a logic bug then? or does this happens in other sequencers as well?

No, no bug. Just what happens when plugin delay isn't compensated, as is the case with Logic pc.

oki but this only affect the sends, or? as logic have compensation for the rest? did u have any suggestion how to set the sends delay up in an easy way btw? i find it really tricky


thanks
Fredrik

 

[Harddancer]

Ive always found logic's plug-delay compensation to work fine.

Then again, I usually prefer to draw in the data in the matrix editor rather than play it in via midi so the latency isnt that much of a hassel for me.


It doesnt work on the busses however, which is a nuisance. In this case, if you are using a UAD plug on a buss then you will need to apply the UAD-Delay Comp module to EVERYTHING that isnt going throught that buss. Of course, it much easier to route everything throught a seperate bus with one delay-comp module on it than place a delay-comp on every other track.

Also when bouncing, it is important to leave an extra beat either side of your left and right locators to give the plugs a run up before they're needed and to ensure the end isnt cut off.

 

[rymdprojekt]

whats bother me is that the song speeds up for half a sec or so if i for example solo one track where i have like 3 UAD plugins....could it be my soundcard maybe? ie the first 2 notes plays a little faster (to get it in sync i guess)

thanks
Fredrik