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Max Vox presence desired!

George Michael

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I've done voiceover and radio/tv commercial production for 25 years, been thru a number of mics--Neumann '59 tube, AEA R84, Korby FET, and settled on Lawson's L47MP II tube about five years ago.

I record vox to an Otari 5050 w/dbx 150, very nice, dub to Fostex standalone digital multitrack thru dbx 263X de-esser inserted in channel strip on board, parallel compress between 12:1 and 24:1 with an RNC in SuperNice on mixdown, adding music and effects tracks with 2-3dB attenuation of mids that compete with the vocal, thence thru a Rocksonics (remember them?) multiband comp @ 2:1 w/a small amt. of brickwall, then kissing the final product a little with an spl Vitalizer for increased transparency.

I like the result. The RE-20s, SM7s, and 421U's the radio stations use sound thin and edgy and get fatiguing quickly contrasted with what I get.

But I'm missing that float-on-the-front-of-the-speakers presence I hear in some commercials. It's not present in most of what I hear nationally, but oh, the difference when it's there! It makes the voice stand out in a pleasant, intimate sense, with no in-your-face arrogance.

I'm being told by salespeople at pro-audio dealers that I need a UA comp to achieve this presence.

May I have opinions on this? I don't have a Teltronix bank acct. I need a mono unit only and no need for mic pre. I had an ME-1NV, and the only difference between it and the pre's in my Tascam 1516 board was that the board's pre was muddier if you cranked 100Hz up 12dB (!), otherwise I could hear no difference in a double-blind test. The Lawson is such a beautiful-sounding microphone that I don't see any need to try to improve what it does by itself; that all-important 4.7K can be taken up or down by changing the mic's infinitely-variable polar pattern. I have it set between cardioid and figure-of-eight, just right for my voice. No problem from front-wall reflections that the polar setting might cause.

Will a UA / Urei provide this Holy Grail presence I'm after, or is there something else I'm not aware of, not being an engineer?

I'd upload my voice reel to this post if I knew how to do it.

Thanks! GM
 

Shadowing

New Member
Well differant compressors will add differant coloring to a voice.
Maybe they simply have a really good reverb mixed in such a way where you dont even know its there? It really makes a huge differance if you compress before eq or afer eq too.

have you tried running vocals into two differant channels. Proccessing each one differantly then mixing the two channels together?

one channel eq just a little bit , then add reverb
next chanel compress the he!! out of it. then eq it super bright

Bring the non compress track to level where you want it then mix the compressed track to the brightness you want it. Then put a compressor after that to even it all out. And a final eq for minor touches, Maybe.
 

djsynchro

Hall of Fame Member
It seems to me that you have a fairly high quality vocal chain already and that perhaps the answer to the sound you're after is in the digital domain.
 
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