Mixing question

[Royal T]

I followed the advice I got from this forum a couple of weeks ago and got me a UAD-1, I bought the Project Pak, and now I'm demoing the remaining plug-ins.

Here's a question, when putting either of the UAD compressors on an aux-bus for a drum-track I get this anoying phasiness when the levels between the compressed and uncompressed track is about the same. I don't get this on any other compressors I've got, native or Powercore.

I was looking forward to crank up the 1176LN on an aux bus and have some fun, anyone have an idea of what I might be doing wrong :?:

I'm on Sonar 3.1.1, by the way.

 

[taylor]

could be 2 things... for one, i wouldn't recommend mixing a dry uncompressed signal, with the compressed signal... the compressor should be treated as an insert effect... however, you may be doing this for a reason... so i'll move onto the more likely scenario.. which is that you may not be adding a delay compensation plug in if your drum track and aux track a different number of UAD plug ins ... if this is the case, one of the tracks will be slightly delayed and could be causing that phasing problem...

I followed the advice I got from this forum a couple of weeks ago and got me a UAD-1, I bought the Project Pak, and now I'm demoing the remaining plug-ins.

Here's a question, when putting either of the UAD compressors on an aux-bus for a drum-track I get this anoying phasiness when the levels between the compressed and uncompressed track is about the same. I don't get this on any other compressors I've got, native or Powercore.

I was looking forward to crank up the 1176LN on an aux bus and have some fun, anyone have an idea of what I might be doing wrong :?:

I'm on Sonar 3.1.1, by the way.

 

[Royal T]

thanks for your reply,

Sonar is fully delay-compensated, so I don't need to add delay-compensation plug-ins, so that is not it. I actually tried to add some delay-compensation plug-ins anyway, and it doesn't help (at least not the various settings I applied).

You can sometimes get extremely cool tracks if you put the compressor on an aux., instead of as an insert, especially if you push the compressor real hard. The original track doesn't have to be completly dry/uncompressed, that's up to you..

I was hoping to be able to do this with the UAD.. :?

 

[MASSIVE Mastering]

I work with parallel compression on the UAD quite a bit without problems - Somewhere, your delay compensation isn't correcting everything properly.

Out of curiosity, if you set everything, save, close (the program) and restart, does that do anything?

 

[Middleman]

I used to get this when I had one of the less expensive MAudio soundcards. Occasionally tracks would come in out of alignment and sound phasey. So, it could be your card.

I upgraded to some higher end convertors and have not had this happen since then.

 

[Royal T]

thanks people,

I get the same problems if I save and restart Sonar, no matter what I do I get the same problems. I used to get this in Sonar with the Waves RenChannel plug-in a while ago, however it seems like this have been fixed in Waves vers. 5., at least I can't reproduce this issue anymore with that plug-in.

My soundcard is a Emu1820M, I haven't installed the sync. card, perhaps that could have something to do with this?

 

[sstillwell]

Unsquashed channel + Squashed Channel...use that a lot for live vocals or lead guitar...IF you have channels to burn on a FOH board. Use the uncompressed channel for pretty much everything, but when you need to push it for lead guitar breaks, or for lead vox during chorus...up comes the compressed channel alongside the other channel.

I think I remember reading that Robert Scoville (Rush, Def Leppard, Matchbox 20, Tom Petty) used this trick frequently.

Scott

 

[Royal T]

Did install the sync. card, it didn't change anything, still the same problem (as expected..)

To you who parallel-compress succesfully with the UAD, what hosts are you using?

 

[Arys Chien]

I'm using Nuendo 2. No problem here.

 

[MASSIVE Mastering]

Samplitude Pro and Nuendo

 

[Royal T]

Maybe it's time for me to ditch the Cakewalk and get the new Cubase3.

:| :| :|

 

[lux]

I have been lucky enough to work with some experienced and talented engineers and the advicee they have always given me about mixing is that if you want to get better just mix mix mix.Theory can help but the best method is to just keep on praticing and experimenting and using your ears.

 

[Ericcc]

could be 2 things... for one, i wouldn't recommend mixing a dry uncompressed signal, with the compressed signal... the compressor should be treated as an insert effect.......

Uhmm, Listen to Motown stuff. It is a classical technique on vocals extensively used. You've heard many examples

 

[neil wilkes]

Been done so often!
A good way is with drums too - send the kick & snare to 2 groups, and squash the living crap out of one of them.
Mix the two together until it does what you want it to.

Basically speaking, that is.

 

[Royal T]

Found a work-around for my problem. I feel pretty stupid I didn't try this earlier, but it seems the DX version of the UAD plug-ins is causing the problem, the VST-version seems to work with Sonar.

Lord, I hate all this VST, DX, AU, RTAS etc.-BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

 

[Royal T]

Correction: I found a work-around for my problem for all UAD compressors except the 1176SE, which will not load in Sonar as a VST, using Cakewalk's VST wrapper....

 

[MASSIVE Mastering]

Any time you can use VST, use it. DX is for wussies.

Well, I shouldn't say that... DX isn't nearly as cool if given the choice.

Glad you got it hummin' along. Don't think of it as a \"workaround\" - Think of it as \"proper.\"

I agree though - Too many formats and protocols...

 

[Arys Chien]

Lord, I hate all this VST, DX, AU, RTAS etc.-BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No just hate the DX BS. :wink:

I don't know why Cakewalk, Waves and Vegas (I bought all of them) still don't go VST. Even GigaStudio go VST now. It's not like you have to dump all DX if you go VST anyway.

p.s.: I use Cakewalk from 1.03 to SONAR 2, and then I switched to Cubase SX because of UAD-1.

 

[Dragon_Huang]

Hey, Don't forget ...

Who is the BOSS of DXi stuff...

ITs BILL GATE's boy...

NO company on WINS can give it up easily.

BILL will punish it ...when they go UNIX or OSX ...

 

[billybk1]

I followed the advice I got from this forum a couple of weeks ago and got me a UAD-1, I bought the Project Pak, and now I'm demoing the remaining plug-ins.

Here's a question, when putting either of the UAD compressors on an aux-bus for a drum-track I get this anoying phasiness when the levels between the compressed and uncompressed track is about the same. I don't get this on any other compressors I've got, native or Powercore.

I was looking forward to crank up the 1176LN on an aux bus and have some fun, anyone have an idea of what I might be doing wrong :?:

I'm on Sonar 3.1.1, by the way.

Hey Royal T,
I'm using (2) UAD-1's (original Mackie & Project Pak), in my SONAR 3.1.1 DAW rig, and when I patch my UAD-1 compressors and I've got all of them (no demos), on an aux bus, the timing is always tight as a drum (pun intended ). Whether I use the DX versions (which I much prefer, BTW) or the VST's wrapped with Cakes 4.2.2 adapter. I have found that the VST versions can be a bit flaky, at times, when using the VST adapter though. Do you have the compressor aux bus routed to the same master out as your drum track?


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