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NAM as a UAD DSP plugin would be awesome

klong

Active Member
Neural Amp Modeler. Probably a lot of you are already familiar with it. Free and open source, already incorporated into several commercial products (Two Notes Genome, Tonocracy, some hard units etc)

UAD could build a DSP plugin with a curated list of 10 or 20 of the best sounding NAM profiles. I don't need a million options, but having something a bit more state of the art than the existing UAD DSP amp sims would nice.
 

Philomyth

Member
I’d ideally like to be able to run a pedal model, an amp model, and then pick my own IR. And to be able to track with it.
 

klong

Active Member
I’d ideally like to be able to run a pedal model, an amp model, and then pick my own IR. And to be able to track with it.
It's probably a pipe dream to think that UAD would even consider it, but it sure would be cool. Running NAM in reaper works fine for me most of the time on my M1 macbook, but I still get the occasional dropout/crackle which is annoying. Would love to have it in DSP land. There are some pedals coming out that run NAM, but I don't really want to spent $500 and have extra cables and rounds of A/D conversion.

If the UAFX amps get ported and put on sale for a decent price on UAD DSP, I'd definitely consider it, but for now it's battle with the buffer size ;)
 

SameOh

Active Member
just get genome.

you want uad to choose 10-20 nam profiles and sell that to you as a plugin.

dude, that's not very smart, sorry.
 

Vanx

Member
just get genome.

you want uad to choose 10-20 nam profiles and sell that to you as a plugin.

dude, that's not very smart, sorry.
We’re talking about a dsp implementation…. You could use it in console without noticeable latency
 

SameOh

Active Member
We’re talking about a dsp implementation…. You could use it in console without noticeable latency
if you use nam profiles with something like genome or Tonocracy, you won't feel any latency with small buffer sizes.
 

UA_User

Active Member
if you use nam profiles with something like genome or Tonocracy, you won't feel any latency with small buffer sizes.
Yes, until you actually try to record guitar tracks into an in-progress song and mix in a DAW.

DSP or external hardware is necessary to avoid monitoring latency in real world recording. The exception would be when using a DAW as a basic tape recorder only.
 

machinated

Active Member
NAM seems like the most anti-UAD thing ever - much like with their cab sim's, they would rather curate something high quality, with a nice interface and (ideally) with less shortcomings than what an open source/free solution might offer. They prefer having a more closed ecosystem where things are stable, and there is some sort of assurance that things will behave in an expected manner.

Would be interesting to see UAD adopt NAM, or something similar, as part of their tech. They have their own approaches for black box modelling, and there's obviously been a HUGE focus on machine learning in the last few years that I'm sure UA aren't unaware of. The tough thing is finding talent to hire as audio is a tough sell to someone with that skillset.
 

SameOh

Active Member
Yes, until you actually try to record guitar tracks into an in-progress song and mix in a DAW.

DSP or external hardware is necessary to avoid monitoring latency in real world recording. The exception would be when using a DAW as a basic tape recorder only.
I have a good computer and a nice workflow. really don't need it.
 

exoslime

Venerated Member
I have a good computer and a nice workflow. really don't need it.
thats great for you (y)
but others may see a benefit and would love to have run this within UAD Console.

i second that, would be amazing to have a NAM based Amp Modeller as DSP plugin to run within UA Console, but i also would be very happy with the UAFX ports of Lion, Ruby, Woodrow and Dream to begin with ;)
 

SameOh

Active Member
thats great for you (y)
but others may see a benefit and would love to have run this within UAD Console.

i second that, would be amazing to have a NAM based Amp Modeller as DSP plugin to run within UA Console, but i also would be very happy with the UAFX ports of Lion, Ruby, Woodrow and Dream to begin with ;)
And you keep waiting this imaginary plugin that makes no sense and will probably never going to happen.

While I'll keep using, by the way, while writing this post, exactly what you are waiting for.
 

MaxTwang

Active Member
I'm using NAM, Genome, Tonex and other standalone modelers with Apollo. I apply UAD effects in Console on the input channel then route the modeling software's output to Console's virtual channels for more UAD plugins. Latency hasn't been an issue (though I expected it would be). UAD's plugins are a great compliment to Tonex's standalone app.
 

Eric Dahlberg

Purveyor of musical dreams fullfilled.
if you use nam profiles with something like genome or Tonocracy, you won't feel any latency with small buffer sizes.
Or get a Tonex One for $179. That's probably not much different from what the plugin would cost and it can be used in many applications where a plugin can't.
 

Eric Dahlberg

Purveyor of musical dreams fullfilled.
Care to post any demos of this after you've played with it?

The demos I found after a quick search didn't tell me what I need to know.
Download Tonex CS. It's free and gives you 40 tone models (20 preset and 20 of your choosing) to play with.
 
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