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Neve for Native?

Suntower

Established Member
Hi. My understanding is that Neve plugs (specifically 1073) are -not- available for 'native'.

But this video seems to tease me to ask anyways:


Are any of the Neve plugs other than 88RS, available for native?

TIA,

---JC
 

LesBrown

Hall of Fame Member
Neve 1073 is available native.

 

Suntower

Established Member
Basically you need an Apollo / UAD-2 device to purchase the native 1073. If you don't have any UAD-2 hardware, you will not be able to buy the native 1073. However, it's available in UAD spark as a subscription plguin.
Hang on. I have a UAD-2 -and- 2 UAD-1s. I do -not- want to -ever- purchase new plugs for these... as I'm running very ancient software and don't want to mess with them.

I recently purchased the Waterfall Speaker 'native' and it works fine... it doesn't seem to interact at -all- with the UAD hardware. (Which is exactly what I want.)

If I purchase the 'Apollo' version of Neve does it -also- include the 'Native' version, so I can run it -separately- (outside the UAD as I'm doing with the Waterfall Speaker)? IOW: install the 'native' version, but -not- update the UAD hardware licenses.

I hope that makes sense. :D

---JC
 

Deif

Venerated Member
If I purchase the 'Apollo' version of Neve does it -also- include the 'Native' version, so I can run it -separately- (outside the UAD as I'm doing with the Waterfall Speaker)? IOW: install the 'native' version, but -not- update the UAD hardware licenses.

I hope that makes sense. :D

---JC
Yes
 

Alexxon

Active Member
If I purchase the 'Apollo' version of Neve does it -also- include the 'Native' version, so I can run it -separately- (outside the UAD as I'm doing with the Waterfall Speaker)? IOW: install the 'native' version, but -not- update the UAD hardware licenses.
This is true. As they port everything native it means you are provided with more options. You can continue using them with UAD-2, but you will have a new option of using a native 1073 with no extra cost. It's just an option.
 

Axel_L

Active Member
Thanks. Wish I'd known that before I paid $160 for the Softube Tubetech CL1B. :D
Ah, no. Softube plugins don‘t work this way, this applies to UA-made plug-ins (like the Neve 1073) only.
You can buy UAD-2 versions of Softube plug-ins at the uaudio.com store, but you will not get their native counterparts automatically. The native versions are available at Softube‘s own store (except for some plug-ins that are UAD-exclusive, e.g. the Cyclosonic Panner).
 

Sam Guaiana

Active Member
Hang on. I have a UAD-2 -and- 2 UAD-1s. I do -not- want to -ever- purchase new plugs for these... as I'm running very ancient software and don't want to mess with them.

I recently purchased the Waterfall Speaker 'native' and it works fine... it doesn't seem to interact at -all- with the UAD hardware. (Which is exactly what I want.)

If I purchase the 'Apollo' version of Neve does it -also- include the 'Native' version, so I can run it -separately- (outside the UAD as I'm doing with the Waterfall Speaker)? IOW: install the 'native' version, but -not- update the UAD hardware licenses.

I hope that makes sense. :D

---JC
Specifically for the 1073, if you purchase the Apollo version you are going to get the Native one. It’s stupid but you need to have some sort of UAD hardware to buy just that native one.

Also don’t worry too much about your hardware being old. You’re not buying plugins specifically for that hardware, you’re just buying plugins that work for whatever hardware UAD currently has out. If they ever break away from these 20 year old chips, it’s safe to assume any Apollo/DSP plugin will also work on whatever new DSP they make
 

Quint

Venerated Member
Also don’t worry too much about your hardware being old. You’re not buying plugins specifically for that hardware, you’re just buying plugins that work for whatever hardware UAD currently has out. If they ever break away from these 20 year old chips, it’s safe to assume any Apollo/DSP plugin will also work on whatever new DSP they make
With the caveat that it's possible that some of the oldest plugins might not come along for the ride if/when a new DSP type like ARM is introduced. I could totally see UA abandoning some of the legacy plugins, and only porting the MKII (or newer) plugins to the new DSP. In fairness, bringing everything along forever does incur a large tech debt.

But I generally agree that any plugin made in the last 10 years or so is probably a safe bet to get ported over to new DSP.
 

UniversalAudio

Official UA Representative
Hi. My understanding is that Neve plugs (specifically 1073) are -not- available for 'native'.

But this video seems to tease me to ask anyways:


Are any of the Neve plugs other than 88RS, available for native?

TIA,

---JC
It's available natively for buyers that own UAD hardware. You buy the DSP version and the native comes with it.

It's also available native only via our Spark subscription.
 

Sam Guaiana

Active Member
With the caveat that it's possible that some of the oldest plugins might not come along for the ride if/when a new DSP type like ARM is introduced. I could totally see UA abandoning some of the legacy plugins, and only porting the MKII (or newer) plugins to the new DSP. In fairness, bringing everything along forever does incur a large tech debt.

But I generally agree that any plugin made in the last 10 years or so is probably a safe bet to get ported over to new DSP.
I’m not going to say I wouldn’t trust any plugin 10+ years old (some of my faves are almost 20 and irreplaceable) but when we’re talking emulations, even the last couple years has come such a long way that I’d probably put more time into using newer plugs. I doubt we’ll lose even the legacy ones but if we do I would be shocked if we lost anything after that
 

slamthecrank

Hall of Fame Member
With the caveat that it's possible that some of the oldest plugins might not come along for the ride if/when a new DSP type like ARM is introduced. I could totally see UA abandoning some of the legacy plugins, and only porting the MKII (or newer) plugins to the new DSP. In fairness, bringing everything along forever does incur a large tech debt.

But I generally agree that any plugin made in the last 10 years or so is probably a safe bet to get ported over to new DSP.
There is no way that UA abandons those older plugins. Absolute 0% chance - and it's not something I would waste even an ounce of energy worrying about.
 

Suntower

Established Member
It's available natively for buyers that own UAD hardware. You buy the DSP version and the native comes with it.

It's also available native only via our Spark subscription.
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Hi Drew,

OK. I -do- have -3- ancient UAD cards... UAD-2 and two UAD-1s. I have not upgraded the software for probably a decade and it keeps chugging. :)

I do -not- want to add new plugs to run on the cards or tweak the licensing system in -any- way.

So, I bought the Native Waterfall Speaker using -another- email address. And it works fine.

Now... can I
1. But the Neve as 'native' and assign it to the separate 'native' account I have and avoid the cards? OR

2. Buy the Neve (or other 'Apollo') plug-in using the original email account I used for my UAD cards, but -not- install it on the cards? ie. only install the -Native- version of the Neve and NOT update the UAD software or license?

Does this make sense? If there is any risk that the install might somehow 'update' the cards, I'll have to pass.

TIA,

---JC
 

UniversalAudio

Official UA Representative
If you own a UAD2 device and it's registered in your system and it works, you can buy the 1073 and get the native version with it.

Yes, they're completely separate versions, usable separately.
 

Quint

Venerated Member
There is no way that UA abandons those older plugins. Absolute 0% chance - and it's not something I would waste even an ounce of energy worrying about.
I'm not worried about it. I don't use those legacy plugins, so I mostly don't care.

But UA has already said, or at least insinuated, they are not likely to ever port those legacy plugins to native, so it stands to reason that they may also never port those same legacy plugins to whatever new DSP architecture may eventually come. So I disagree that it's a 0% chance. It might even be better than 50/50.

To be clear, when I say "legacy plugins", I'm talking about the MKI plugins that have already been supplanted by a MKII version.
 
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Quint

Venerated Member
I’m not going to say I wouldn’t trust any plugin 10+ years old (some of my faves are almost 20 and irreplaceable) but when we’re talking emulations, even the last couple years has come such a long way that I’d probably put more time into using newer plugs. I doubt we’ll lose even the legacy ones but if we do I would be shocked if we lost anything after that
I pretty much only use the newer plugins myself, and mostly just a self imposed limit on those that have already been ported to native, so as to have nearly a 100% functionality of the DSP/native auto switching of the UAD plugins.
 
It's available natively for buyers that own UAD hardware. You buy the DSP version and the native comes with it.

It's also available native only via our Spark subscription.
does this work with other plugins too, like the ampex tape? do you get a native version then with it (if you buy it while having an apollo)?
 

UniversalAudio

Official UA Representative
does this work with other plugins too, like the ampex tape? do you get a native version then with it (if you buy it while having an apollo)?
Generally speaking, when you own/buy a DSP only plugin, you get ( or will get) the native version when/if it's released.
 
thank you for bearing with me, i think I understand.

can I also use the native plugins I own in the uad console app as native plugins (so that they don't use up DSP)? or only in another DAW?
 
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