PCIe? Fucking idiots!

[Dan Duskin]

Everything is going external!

Magma makes no PCIe chassis!

My mobo has no PCIe slots!

Mobo's have less slots every year. I can't even find one with 4 slots!!!

I love the UAD... but they are killing themselves now.

Looks like I have to look for something else...

 

[Tony Ostinato]

language.

i think your panicking a little soon too, i would bet they have a firewire thing in the works.

pci was easier so thats done first, logical, no?


anyways their webzine has hinted a couple times at a firewire device so id be suprised if it didnt happen.

As far as other things it seems mostly older chips in new boxes, ill wait and see if anything stands out. I prefer modeling over sampling/convolution in principle.

 

[robi]

Everything is going external!

Magma makes no PCIe chassis!

My mobo has no PCIe slots!

Mobo's have less slots every year. I can't even find one with 4 slots!!!

I love the UAD... but they are killing themselves now.

Looks like I have to look for something else...

Why the same post twice? Just to call ua names and show your education? ts

 

[Trebor Flow 2]

language.

i think your panicking a little soon too, i would bet they have a firewire thing in the works.

pci was easier so thats done first, logical, no?


anyways their webzine has hinted a couple times at a firewire device so id be suprised if it didnt happen.

As far as other things it seems mostly older chips in new boxes, ill wait and see if anything stands out. I prefer modeling over sampling/convolution in principle.

Although it goes against my sworn oath of honor to agree with Tony

I agree that this PCI-E takes care of the Mac lot who need it for the new Macs (job done tick box) the easeir job.

Now they have bought a little time and can oush in with the F/W version of the UAD-1.

How many version of Powercore have TC got, I think PCI, Element, PCI MKII, PCI-E MKII, Powercore Compact, and Powercore F/W!!

So the why can't UA have a few versions too, I;m sure they will.

NOW OF COURSE - it they don't bring out a F/W version with more DSP then I will finally be convinced that the UAD-1 is a dongle albeit an evolving one.

Trebor

 

[xist2005]

I'd bet there will be no firewire options from UA (with a more powerful chip) at least in a reasonable time (1, 1/2 year) from now.

And in the end, thinking about the present, we have heavier UA plugs since months (and new ones coming, think of Neve, 3 istances per card which means you won't run any other previous plug on the same card, come on!) and the card's power is always the same... that's enough for me to say I'm disappointed.

 

[Ashermusic]

Everything is going external!

Magma makes no PCIe chassis!

My mobo has no PCIe slots!

Mobo's have less slots every year. I can't even find one with 4 slots!!!

I love the UAD... but they are killing themselves now.

Looks like I have to look for something else...

I am surprised at you Dan. You usually are a little more level headed than this post.

The fact that they did his first doesn't mean that is all they will do. Like it or not a large number of pro users are on Macs and Apple is now gone to PCIe with the Intel Macs and even the newer G5s so this was a quick fix they needed to do.

 

[mersisblue]

anyways their webzine has hinted a couple times at a firewire device so id be suprised if it didnt happen.

link plz ? I must have missed it

 

[contramark]

im just fine with my pci-original card. works great.

 

[cane creek]

a firewire solutions is no good either , im already running a poco firewire and planning on buying SSL's duende firewire device in october so thats my 2 firewire ports taken up.

get an extra firewire card i hear you say , well i went through 3 different makes and the Poco wouldnt work with any it would only ever work smoothly with the onboard firewire.

 

[Captain Caveman]

..... a large number of pro users are on Macs and Apple is now gone to PCIe with the Intel Macs and even the newer G5s so this was a quick fix they needed to do.

That's what I read into the reasons behind the release, personally.

 

[mBlaze]

More info...

http://www.uaudio.com/news/releases/pcie.html

AES SHOW, PARIS, FRANCE-20TH MAY 2006
UNIVERSAL AUDIO UNVEILS UAD-1E EXPRESS PAK & UAD-1E EXPERT PAK
PCI EXPRESS DSP CARD & POWERED PLUG-INS
AES SHOW, PARIS, FRANCE - 20 MAY 2006 • Universal Audio, a manufacturer of high-quality vintage audio hardware and DSP software plug-ins for digital audio workstations, today announced the UAD-1e Express PAK and UAD-1e Expert PAK, PCI Express DSP Cards & Powered Plug-Ins(tm). The UAD-1e Express PAK (US$499 street) and Expert PAK (US$999 street) will both ship in Q3 2006 bundled with UA's core 15 free Mix/Gtr FX plug-in suite plus a UAD$100 (Express) and UAD$750 (Expert) voucher that customers can use to pick and purchase UA plug-in authorizations online.

\"The UAD-1e Express PAK and Expert PAK offer DAW users with new PCIe-based Mac/PC computers access to UA's DSP-powered and sonically superior mixing and mastering plug-ins.\" said Mike Barnes, VP of Marketing for Universal Audio. \"This is the first big milestone in our UAD strategy to offer a wider range of UAD solutions, help our customers cross-grade to new systems and give them total flexibility to choose precisely which plugs they actually want at the UA online store - my.uaudio.com.\"

Key Features include :

UAD-1e Express PAK ($499 with UAD$100 plug-in voucher for my.uaudio.com)
UAD-1e Expert PAK ($999 with UAD$750 plug-in voucher for my.uaudio.com)
UAD-1 & UAD-1e can be used together seamlessly in the same system
Cross-grade UAD$ voucher program for existing UAD-1 users who buy a new UAD-1e. Customers keep their UAD-1 & purchase an Express PAK for an extra UAD$100 voucher, or purchase an Expert PAK for an extra UAD$250 voucher.
\"The PCI Express (PCIe) bus offers exceptional performance, lower system overhead, and higher reliability for low-latency audio signal processing while allowing us to maintain software compatibility with legacy PCI and PCI-X systems.\" stated Joe Bryan, VP of Technology. \"This approach allows users to mix and match UAD-1 and UAD-1e cards in any combination for maximum flexibility. The PCIe bus and ExpressCard system interfaces are vastly superior to other high-speed interconnects, and allow us to run many more channels (up to 254 channels per card), operate reliably at higher sample rates, and offer much more powerful DSP expansion than alternatives using FireWire or EtherNet. Put simply, PCIe is the professional solution.\"

 

[Dan Duskin]

Come on guys... you can't be so blind as to see this is the stupidest thing UA has done yet!

And in regards to the language... it's just that... language... as soon as the word FUCK is removed from the english dictionary I will stop using it.

fuck ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fk) Vulgar Slang
v. fucked, fuck·ing, fucks
v. tr.
To have sexual intercourse with.
To take advantage of, betray, or cheat; victimize.
Used in the imperative as a signal of angry dismissal.

v. intr.
To engage in sexual intercourse.
To act wastefully or foolishly.

I suppose I could have called them FOOLISH idoits... but that doesn't get the point across. And if you think the word FUCK is less offensive than IDIOT you have a lot to learn. Thank god the FCC doesn't control the internet! Rejoice in the rapture of language I say!

 

[cane creek]

why even bother making the neve plugins if they aint going to introduce a bigger card ?

looks like Duende for me......

 

[Ericcc]

Come on guys... you can't be so blind as to see this is the stupidest thing UA has done yet!

And in regards to the language... it's just that... language... as soon as the word FUCK is removed from the english dictionary I will stop using it.

fuck ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fk) Vulgar Slang
v. fucked, fuck·ing, fucks
v. tr.
To have sexual intercourse with.
To take advantage of, betray, or cheat; victimize.
Used in the imperative as a signal of angry dismissal.

v. intr.
To engage in sexual intercourse.
To act wastefully or foolishly.

I suppose I could have called them FOOLISH idoits... but that doesn't get the point across. And if you think the word FUCK is less offensive than IDIOT you have a lot to learn. Thank god the FCC doesn't control the internet! Rejoice in the rapture of language I say!

Dan,

I do appreciate what you say, since it shows your deep love for UAD. But you could have said it more..ommm...eloquent Fuck me for saying this cause who am I..

Anyhow... I am sure they know what they do.

 

[daverich]

I agree.

This is a stupid move - UAD is now painfully late for a firewire card with more power.

rule number 1 of business - LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS.

Kind regards

Dave Rich.

 

[Dan Duskin]

Let's put this another way...

UA was forcing users into getting Magma chassis to get the power they needed.

Now UA is forcing users into buying something else!!! i.e., Goodbye UAD, hello Powercore/LiquidMix/Duende!

I downloaded the video about the UAD-1e. Come on UA, you have to be fucking kidding me!!! The video touts this card as being better and faster or something, saying it's better than PCI or firewire... fucking BULL SHIT! The bus may be faster, but it's fucking pointless... it's 50 faster than we need, and the UAD is only eating 1% of it!

My Powercore Firewire runs at half the latency as the UAD-1, can run far more plugins, and can interface with 3 other powercore firewire units plus many other firewire dsp units on top of that!!! And if the firewire bus gets too busy I can add another card... i.e., several dsp units per firewire bus, not ONE DSP UNIT PER PCI SLOT!!!

 

[frob]

firewire has its limitations and they are quickly being realized. i doubt, in fact i hope, that UA does not come out with a firewire soloution because at this point it would be to litle to late.

what do they need? faster chips on a faster buss. i would assume the reasone that there is no magma PCIe chassis out yet is that there is no external buss, ie firewire, that could handle the bandwidth of 8-12 PCIe cards. who else thinks that UAD1e should have had two cpus on it?

 

[Guest]

Doesnt UA say that using a single processor is better for some reason :?:
I can't remember where i read it.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

Well... some of their customers have been asking for PCI-e Not me, but I seem to remember about three thousand threads here where it got mentioned.

Just over a month ago there was this thread: UA beaten to the punch? Powercore PCI-e announcement.

There ARE chassis for those who want them:
http://www.cyclone.com/products/pci_exp ... system.php
http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/467484

And you can always get a pcie-pci Magma and buy up the cheap UAD1s that are going to be showing up on Ebay soon.

 

[Suntower]

I just don't see how this post is constructive in any way. It's not like they promised something they haven't delivered. And it ain't like they've taken the piss at other times or had bug-ridden naff sounding kit. And it ain't like they don't know what's needed.

Further, the number of times, they have come through when other vendors have under-delivered and over-promised is large.

So I feel they deserve a bit of slack and not this 'fair-weather friend' treatment.

YMMV

---JC