please help sonar and uad

[robowisa]

i get snaps crakles and pops from my uad cards and i have recently upgraded to sonar 6.21 and uad version 4.8 and im now getting major cpu munching also playback gargaling spike out ua please help i have 4 cards 3 pci i pci e mout 424 pcie card
amd atholon 64 x2 dual core 4400
ram-4 gig cosara xmsz ddr400 4 1gigers
motherboard-asus a8n32sli

program and plugins
sonar 6.21 producer
uad-1e
3-uad pci

hardware
motu hd192
motu midi express 8in 8out
clock
apogee big ben 192
windows xp32bit
please help ua i love your products i own a 4110 and 6176 as well as all of your plugins probably close to 8to 10 grand in your products ..i would really appreicate some help .oh also i cant use the precion multiband eq wont work at all 150 beans out the window .thanks in advance

 

[B-San]

As a fellow Sonar user myself, am I going out on the limb by asking if you have 'Sonar Compatability' mode selected within the UA software options?...

As a fellow newcommer to this forum, I'm gonna say that it's good to see another Sonar user... the more of us the better!

As for everybody else - check this out!

http://enews.penton.com/enews/mix/audio ... ay#a070920

Now imagine this CPU setup comming fully stocked with UA plugs for under 8k!

The sooner UA, Cakewalk and Intel get their heads together, the sooner we all live much easier!

 

[Matt Hepworth]

Yeah, try the SONAR compatibility mode and let us know. You WILL have to disable it for export, though.

 

[Wiz]

good suggestions above..

also try unchecking multiprocessor enable...then restart sonar...

I think there might be a ms patch for amd dual core machines too...

There has been much discussion on the sonar forum at cakewalk about this...perhpas a visit there is in order as well...

cheers

Wiz

 

[robowisa]

yeh i tried with sonar compatablity mode same deal i really dont notice a diffrence i have actually had less promblems with sonar 6 and uad 4.7 im on vacation right now so im not near my computer but i have tried disengaging multi processing in pervious version and didnt really effect it either way

snap crakel pop i feel like im eating a bowl of rice crispy im glad to see more sonar users keep the faith.... i cant wait for the the day that uad doesnt cpu munch with sonar then i can say all the bs was worth not switching to pt and spending money on the monoploy and just buy more ua analog gear thanks for any advice in advance
is there anybody out there with a setup the same as mine ???

 

[davioh]

snap crackle and pop, does this stuff still go one with most of the daws or mostly sonar?

 

[tkingen]

S6.2 and 2 cards here.
I was getting some snap, crackle and pop with some other vst's but not UAD-1. Disabling xray cleared it all up.

 

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Try turning off \"Full Chase Lock\" in Sonar and using \"Trigger and Freewheel\" instead. I came across that recomendation on UA's website today and it seemed to help. Also, I'm not sure if these will work with Sonar 6.21 but the 7.01 faq suggests:

Realtime Bounce and Multiprocessing (UAD-1 Issue)

AllowOfflineRenderMixThreads=<0>, default = 1

Set this variable to 0 to temporarily disable multi-threaded mixing during a fast bounce operation.

A value of 1 (default) allows multiprocessing during fast bounce when multiprocessing is enabled in SONAR.

This variable can be used to improve compatibility with the UAD-1 v4.7.1 driver running in SONAR compatibility mode. This variable is required because this UAD driver is not compatible with multiprocessing in SONAR’s fast bounce mode.

If you hear clicks in the rendered audio while running with multiprocessing, you should set this variable to 0, under the [Wave] section of AUD.INI. This variable is only applicable on multiprocessor capable PC's when multiprocessing is enabled in Options | Audio | Advanced. For example:

[Wave]
AllowOfflineRenderMixThreads=0

and...

Realtime Preroll

RealtimePreroll=<0>, default = 0

SONAR 6.2 introduced a new 'RealtimePreroll' AUD.INI variable. The default value is 0, meaning preroll buffers are pumped as fast as possible. Setting the value to 1 pumps preroll audio buffers in realtime instead of as fast as possible.

Prerolling in realtime may improve buffering and CPU load when using hardware DSP solutions such as the Universal Audio UAD-1 or Focusrite Liquid Mix.

This variable should be set in the [Aud] section in AUD.INI. For example:

[Aud]
RealtimePreroll=1

 

[robowisa]

this might have nothing to do with my promblem but since i have upgraded to sonar 6.21 and uad 4.8 i have had major cpu munching my friend who is more computer savy then i said that when he disables exploror.exe the munchining went away expolor exe is for the destop icons.. this may be totally unrelated to my snap and pop promblem but just wondering anyone eles had this promblem
{it may be from my idiot friend using my studio computer to surf the web thats what i get for not putting a login password..thanks for the help

oh one more thing how do i get ua to actually help me out with my promblem? when i have called which props to them not putting u on hold for hoursbut they said i should post my promblems online and they would respond but they have not yet thanks to everyone eles for the help and i will try all your suggestion it would just be nice for ua to check it for me as well thanks again

 

[freematik]

Definitely read the UAD host notes concerning Sonar and adjust, like the person above mentioned. I can't post the link until I get 10 posts...

I didn't see this mentioned, and it is pretty simple. Try both ASIO and WDM drivers on your soundcard (Audio/Options, I think). I have the latest Sonar 6 (although I don't use it, it is for my partner, I'm a Nuendo and Ableton man myself.. and I remember needing to play around with the drivers and the latency (what latency are you using?) to get decent playback...

As a non-Sonar user, I can say Sonar is starting to look a little sexier than it used to, and it's always been a great app with cool features, I just never caught \"the bug\"

If all else fails, try playing around with slot placement of the UAD's, but with 3 cards I bet you don't have much room to move, if any.

-Freematik

 

[robowisa]

thanks for the input yeh i actually have 4 cards 1 uad-pci-e and 3 pci and my motu 424 card is pci-e no room to move cards have done that before when i got a bad uad card that was doa....as for the drivers my audio card can only run on wdm as far as i have been told with sonar
i have become acustomed to sonar but have been thinking of switching to nuendo but then i dont want to start from square one again i hope that ua can help me fix the promblems

sonar is great and looks cool but i hate editing in it the audio snap features are cool still figuring out how to use them

when i can get sonar and uad to work properly i will be in state of zen lol

unfortantly i have been spending more time fixing crap then recording i hate that cant have people come to record with unstable system and my setup is pritty much based around sonar and uad with ua preamps and a couple distressors thanks for your input and to everyone that helps this is great forum

 

[freematik]

Try the ASIO drivers anyway, and try restarting. I know that Sonar only recommends WDM, but it's worth a try. Why logically it would be better, I have no reason, but I've worked in tech support in the industry, and would recommend at least trying it over some of the more obscure options.

If it doesn't help, then switch back. I've switched back and forth hundreds of times while testing, and you always get right back to where you were, as long as you don't touch any more options...

-Freematik

 

[robowisa]

im away from my setup for about another week but i will try it.. im be far no computer tech so i will take your word that it wont mess anything up...thanks


i wish they would dedicate forums for different audio programs and the uad
ie sonar and uad ...cubase and uad ect........

 

[Matt Hepworth]

There are a few things to check:

-SONAR buffer size
-Try switching to ASIO (personally, I prefer ASIO)
-Open sonar in safe mode (file, open, then hold shift while clicking OK) and try ONLY using the UAD plugs. It could be an issue between the plug-ins.

 

[robowisa]

thanks for the info im still away from my setup but will try the suggestions when i get back hopefully this weekend...and ill let u know how it works out sonar safe mode i never knew about that pritty sweet :lol:

 

[robowisa]

ok matt i tried the asio and now my system is f up.....immediate drop out in asio so i switched back to wdm and every project now maxes out and i get this raunchy distortion please help

 

[Boogie]

Hi robowisa,

I'm another Sonar user for which Sonar Compatibility Mode hasn't completely solved the CPU munching over here. Even in Sonar 7. The best way I've found to work around the problem is to 1) Freeze tracks or 2) Change how you route the audio signal through the plugs. (i.e, try moving the most recently inserted plug to a bus or aux send.)

 

[Matt Hepworth]

Did you try safe mode? It may be as easy as one plug-in not playing nicely with the others.

What is your system latency set at?

 

[robowisa]

ok matt now im on asio swit5ched my buffers up but now i get a wicked delay i cant record its that much of a delay...i also have to switch off sonar conpatablitiy mode when i bounce a mix down im fine with that its just the delay i get when i recorded overdub ect...oh one other thing should the buffers in uad meter match the one in sonar ? thanks....i was getting imediate dropout cause my buffers were not set up high emough but when i had wdm which wont work now i was down to 32 buffers and with asio im up to 128 with a wicked delay

 

[billybk1]

..i was getting imediate dropout cause my buffers were not set up high emough but when i had wdm which wont work now i was down to 32 buffers and with asio im up to 128 with a wicked delay

The UAD-1 plugins are designed and best used when it is time to mix and realtime latency is not an issue. Because any processing has to go out to the card and then back, the UAD-1 plugins have an inherent latency which is (2x) the project latency and that is cumulative. IOW, a UAD plugin used at a 128 sample has an actual latency of 256. If you have (2) UAD plugins in an FX bin that is 512 total latency for that track. Some UAD plugins, by their design(upsampling), even have additional latency added (like the Precision Multi-Band Compressor has an additonal 15360 samples of latency and the Neve 1073, 1081, 33609 & Pultec add another 128 samples, on top of that, for example). If you use a DAW with full PDC (like SONAR and most other DAW's) that is not an issue, as any latency will be auto compensated during playback. This auto PDC only works, during playback (like when you are mixing your project) and not when you are doing realtime low latency tracking(input monitoring). UA suggests a latency of 128 or above when mixing and using a VST host app that has PDC. Now I have used a few UAD plugins @ 64 samples and even used live input monitoring(like the Space Echo), in a sparse mix before with little trouble. But once you start mixing a full project (20-50 tracks with multiple UAD-1 cards and 15-25 UAD-1 plugins) you do need to increase the project latency. Of course, a faster CPU and a high quality low latency audio card always helps too.
Best practice is to do all of your tracking without UAD plugins (use native if you have to or external hardware) and then put your mix engineer hat on and do a proper mix with UAD plugins and let your host app automatically handle the delay with it's PDC.