PTLE Users - Help Required re Delay Comp :)

[streetbeats]

Ok so, ive just got PTLE 6.9.2cs4.

Im still using SX3, which I love, but for compatability Ive now also got PTLE.

So SX3 has full PDC.
PTLE does not.

I have inserted 2 separate DelayComp plugins onto every audio track in my template. Fine so far.

My mix template contains 6 MASTER OUTPUT CHANNELS for stems:

- DRUMS
- BASS
- SOUNDS
- LEAD VOX
- BACK VOX
- FX

It also contains 4 SUBMIX (Aux Input) channels:

- DRUMS SUBMIX (routed to DRUMS MASTER)
- SOUNDS SUBMIX (routed to SOUNDS MASTER)
- LEAD VOX SUBMIX (routed to LEAD VOX MASTER)
- BACK VOX SUBMIX (routed to BACK VOX MASTER)

It also contains 4 FX RETURN (Aux Input) channels:

- DRUM VERB (routed to DRUMS MASTER)
- MAIN VERB (routed to FX MASTER)
- VOCAL DELAY (routed to FX MASTER)
- OTHER DELAY (routed to FX MASTER)

Almost all audio channels are routed to a SUBMIX.
The exception is the bass track - this goes straight to the BASS MASTEER OUTPUT.

Do I need to put DelayComp plugs on any of the SUBMIX channels?
What about the MAIN STEM OUTPUTS ?

Any advice greatly appreciated !

Thanks,

Ben

 

[HotRats]

you have to delay only the tracks without uad plugins or with less plugins
than the max number on uad plugs you've got on a single track.

ok...a little exemple

here are your tracks with plugin (uad or non uad):

- DRUMS > uad eq + uad comp
- BASS > uad eq + uad comp
- SOUNDS > non-uad eq
- LEAD VOX > uad eq + uad comp
- BACK VOX > uad eq + uad comp
- FX > uad delay + non uad flager

you have use dealy comp in this way:
as you can see you don't have more than 2 uad plugin per track
you have to put a delay only on traks wich have less than 2 uad plugins

- DRUMS > uad eq + uad comp
- BASS > uad eq + uad comp
- SOUNDS > non-uad eq + DELAY COMP (set to 2)
- LEAD VOX > uad eq + uad comp
- BACK VOX > uad eq + uad comp
- FX > uad delay + non uad flager + DELAY COMP (set to 1)

the \"math\" is simple. for each track you have to solve this equation
to find the delay compensator value

Max Uad plugins used in 1 track - number of uad plugins in actual track = delay compensator value

if delay compensator value = 0 than, no compensatro is needed.

let's go on.

if you have UAD plugins on submixes or fx-returns you have to play
the same \"math-game\" within fx-returns and submixes.

in your example, if you put a UAD plugin in one of the following traks
you have to compensate all the others.

let say you have a 1176 on drum submix and 2 Plate reverbs reverb fx-returns, you have to compensate in this way...

- DRUMS SUBMIX (routed to DRUMS MASTER) > 1176
- SOUNDS SUBMIX (routed to SOUNDS MASTER) > DELAY COMP (1)
- LEAD VOX SUBMIX (routed to LEAD VOX MASTER) > DELAY COMP (1)
- BACK VOX SUBMIX (routed to BACK VOX MASTER) > DELAY COMP (1)

- DRUM VERB (routed to DRUMS MASTER) > PLATE
- MAIN VERB (routed to FX MASTER) > PLATE
- VOCAL DELAY (routed to FX MASTER) > DELAY COMP (1)
- OTHER DELAY (routed to FX MASTER) > DELAY COMP (1)

I think it's all.
I hope my english is enough clear

I can't guarantee my answer is math errors free

 

[streetbeats]

ta mate, yeah I got it working thanks.

I knew how to use the delayComp, but just didnt know if I would also ned it on bus submixes and masters.

interestingly UA recommend using 2 instances of the plug, each set to one, rather than a single instance set to 2.

Using the UAD-1 Delay Comp plug-in
It is recommended to use individual Delay Comp plugs instead of changing the value of one Delay Comp to a value of 2 when using 2 UAD-1 plugs. This is because of the extra buffer of delay added from the FXpansion adapter. (Please see the UAD-1 manual for more information regarding the use of Delay Comp plugs).

from:

http://uaudio.com/webzine/2004/may/index5.html

but dont we want to minimise that extra buffer delay ?

 

[HotRats]

wow!
you've been able to translate my instructions in real english !

i'm happy everything works fine

about the number of delay comp instances as far as i remeber,
the advise to use 2 delay comp was made because of a problem with
the vst-rats converter, problem that has been solved.
it's an old information

somewhere in the webzine (or in the UA website) is written that
now we can use one compensator per track.


have a good music

 

[streetbeats]

thanks mate

your english was fine....easy to understand..

PS SX3 is still my DAW of choice - but I needed PT for session compatability with some other studios...

 

[Studio de' Lara]

I am getting ready to do some tracking and mixing in Protools LE 6.9.
This delay comp stuff is something I need t get used to. The project started in Logic 7.1. Now the guitar work will be done in Protools.
Thanks for the info. It really helps out.
Regards,
Rich