Rap : Critique
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mersisblue
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TheEastGateMS
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whats on the lead vox? i am about to post a note on this forum. please check it out.
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mersisblue
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asking for opinions rather than help
know what I mean ?
know what I mean ?
RichR
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I think there are a few problems with the song.
1) the kick has some serious timing issues.
2) there could be a better snare sound
3) I keep waiting for something to complete the beat
4) I'm not too sure about the rap flow on it.
I like the background though.
Just my 2 cents of constructive critisicism.
1) the kick has some serious timing issues.
2) there could be a better snare sound
3) I keep waiting for something to complete the beat
4) I'm not too sure about the rap flow on it.
I like the background though.
Just my 2 cents of constructive critisicism.
mersisblue
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you dont like the flow ?
anyway I made for a client who came in . What we usually do IS they rap on some 50 cent beat or what have you
and then I mute the beat and make a new one . Well he only gave me one verse so I didnt really know how to do a chorus for it when there is none lyrically .
Yeah the kick was live so Ive quantized it
and If this wasnt just a scratch mix I would have layered the snare
BUT I like the clap sound :?
any more ?
anyway I made for a client who came in . What we usually do IS they rap on some 50 cent beat or what have you
and then I mute the beat and make a new one . Well he only gave me one verse so I didnt really know how to do a chorus for it when there is none lyrically .
Yeah the kick was live so Ive quantized it
and If this wasnt just a scratch mix I would have layered the snare
BUT I like the clap sound :?
any more ?
sorry, it sounds like your not too much into hiphop. the rap ain't that good and the concept is a bit outdated. If you like commercial hiphop, try to figure out how the neptunes or other chartbrakers make their new stuff.
Ofcourse; if your client is happy with it; don't change a thing 8) Just don't use it for your own demo :?
Ofcourse; if your client is happy with it; don't change a thing 8) Just don't use it for your own demo :?
mersisblue
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I am very much Into rap ( I hate the word hip hop )boody said:
how is the concept out dated ? what is this concept of which you speak ?
pertaining neptunes , meaning what synths they use ?
thanks
the concept I mean is the one using a main sample as the harmonic part against a single beat patern with a gangsta rap over it. My personal view is that it's more intresting to cut up samples and make new sounds/lines out of them instead of picking a line and puting it on repeat.
With checking out the more modern rap tracks I mean the way they build a beat. I figure maybe you tried to make an alternative beat but it sounds a bit wrongly quantised. maybe your intention is good but a vital rhytmic counterpart is missing to glue the beat together and make it flow.
you're right about hiphop. The term is so widely used and adapted by so many different groups of youth that it loses it's meaning. Like 'urban'and the like.
btw: I do like the intro synth 8)
With checking out the more modern rap tracks I mean the way they build a beat. I figure maybe you tried to make an alternative beat but it sounds a bit wrongly quantised. maybe your intention is good but a vital rhytmic counterpart is missing to glue the beat together and make it flow.
you're right about hiphop. The term is so widely used and adapted by so many different groups of youth that it loses it's meaning. Like 'urban'and the like.
btw: I do like the intro synth 8)
mersisblue
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we recorded it live so to speak for little variations
I could quantize it i guess
thanks for the feedback though Ill definately listen to that kick again
I could quantize it i guess
thanks for the feedback though Ill definately listen to that kick again
You really need to get that kick in time! The track could use a bassline too, it sounds too sparse with just the vocal sample as a background and the ambient synth work. I don't think the flow is very good but I guess you had nothing to do with that part. If you work on a more solid rhythm section the track could be pretty cool. There's nothing wrong with the sound quality here, and sonically speaking the vocals sound pretty good.
this thread is really funny to me...
first of all...
a.) this isn't gangster rap. his lyrics amount to, \"i'm a better rapper than you and nothing will stop me from proving it, so back down.\" so what he curses...gwen stefani is cursing in her songs now.
b.) rap and hiphop are very different things. rapping is a rhythmic, spoken, rhyming vocal. hiphop is basically folk art and cultural expression comprised of many forms including but not limited to: dancing...i.e. b-boyin' (aka brakedancing), visual art...i.e. aerosol art, taggin', burnin' (usually lumped together and called graffiti), instrumental music...i.e. djing, scratching, mixing, turntablism, making beats, etc., and vocal expression...i.e. rappin' and beat boxing. these forms are all interconnected, most times refer and inspire each other. the problem is that corporate interests have totally taken over rap (it being the form that is easiest to sell), and for the most part been very adept at confusing the public on what hiphop is really all about. i think it's sign of how huge hiphop really is when you have so many people talking about it that don't really understand what it is. i could talk about this all day but i'll move on.
so here's my critique.
my first impression is that even if you quantize the drums (which they need badly) and make sure his flow is tight (which is hard to do if the drums are sloppy) the whole thing is still average at best.
and that could be a good thing if that was what you were aiming for...run-of-mill, pop-thug rap. the mc's voice is decent and i like the fact that he put a line about KRS in there, but i have a fundamental beef with artists, producers, and musicians that are not pushing themselves to create ART. why even try to shoot for pop-thug rap? just to prove that you can do it? to hustle a client out of little cash? are you trying to decide whether or not to work with this \"artist\"? who is the target audience really? and what do you want to say to them? why do they need to hear it from you? how is this music going to stand out from the rest?
first of all...
a.) this isn't gangster rap. his lyrics amount to, \"i'm a better rapper than you and nothing will stop me from proving it, so back down.\" so what he curses...gwen stefani is cursing in her songs now.
b.) rap and hiphop are very different things. rapping is a rhythmic, spoken, rhyming vocal. hiphop is basically folk art and cultural expression comprised of many forms including but not limited to: dancing...i.e. b-boyin' (aka brakedancing), visual art...i.e. aerosol art, taggin', burnin' (usually lumped together and called graffiti), instrumental music...i.e. djing, scratching, mixing, turntablism, making beats, etc., and vocal expression...i.e. rappin' and beat boxing. these forms are all interconnected, most times refer and inspire each other. the problem is that corporate interests have totally taken over rap (it being the form that is easiest to sell), and for the most part been very adept at confusing the public on what hiphop is really all about. i think it's sign of how huge hiphop really is when you have so many people talking about it that don't really understand what it is. i could talk about this all day but i'll move on.
so here's my critique.
my first impression is that even if you quantize the drums (which they need badly) and make sure his flow is tight (which is hard to do if the drums are sloppy) the whole thing is still average at best.
and that could be a good thing if that was what you were aiming for...run-of-mill, pop-thug rap. the mc's voice is decent and i like the fact that he put a line about KRS in there, but i have a fundamental beef with artists, producers, and musicians that are not pushing themselves to create ART. why even try to shoot for pop-thug rap? just to prove that you can do it? to hustle a client out of little cash? are you trying to decide whether or not to work with this \"artist\"? who is the target audience really? and what do you want to say to them? why do they need to hear it from you? how is this music going to stand out from the rest?
mersisblue
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there are a lot of opinoiions on what hip hop iscoolout said:
I will not address this . it doesnt matter to me what a labels means .
as for the rap . what happens here a lot of time is people bring other
people beats like 50 cent etc... and rap on that . when they l;eave ( and I have more time )
I remove the street beat audio file and write a beat around the lyrics
that is what happened here . I did not do the drums ( though I recorded them )
and they never brought it up to me and to tell the truth I dont have a problem with the kick or snare maybe it needs a few touch ups but
It doesnt bother me .........I dont know if he is coming back
these guys are cool guys but flaky . not shoiwing up etc...
and I have never been paid by them , My work has all been donation ( for them )
Rankus
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Hey. Mersi, you should try to write the beats first so that the artists can rap to a flow (groove) that is already defined.... This will drastically improve the results, as the singer can groove to it and things will stay tight for you...
Try to write the beats in studio down time so that when an artist comes in you can throw some stuff up for them....This way you will look like a real pro producer that has something cool to bring to the big picture....
Creds:
Although I do very little \"urban\" music, I did do the Rascals first album/demo....
Not too bad for an old \"honky\"... (thats old skool for \"cracker\") LOL ;-/
Try to write the beats in studio down time so that when an artist comes in you can throw some stuff up for them....This way you will look like a real pro producer that has something cool to bring to the big picture....
Creds:
Although I do very little \"urban\" music, I did do the Rascals first album/demo....
Not too bad for an old \"honky\"... (thats old skool for \"cracker\") LOL ;-/
mersisblue
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Yes I make beats from scratch as well
thats how they wanted to do it , and now If anything Id take the
vox and record it .
thats how they wanted to do it , and now If anything Id take the
vox and record it .