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Satisfied...but not THAT satisfied. UAD plugins a solution?

matthew_r

New Member
Hello,

about a four or five months ago a friend of mine (who is a producer for rock type music) recommended that I get a Neve preamp when I asked him what I could use to fatten/warm up my synth/sample tracks in recordings. He was totally convinced that the Neve preamp was the solution. I looked into it and yes, that's what they're sometimes used for (sometimes, since they shine with vocals and guitar tracks...synths not so often...).

I eventually bought a Brent Averill Neve clone - a dual channel preamp, no EQ, light compression, that's it. I paid quite a lot for it, and expected good results. The results were/are: questionable. I hear the effect on my drum samples without a doubt. Kicks have a bigger lower end, hihats/cymbals sound a bit rougher, a little bit of the high end taken off. They basically sound a bit fatter. Synths...not so sure. When I run my Nord Lead through it (cranking the BOOST, lowering the GAIN) the only satisfying effect I hear is the high end being lightly smoothed out, not as emphasized. There's a slight emphasis on the lower end but nothing spectacular.

Now that I've had the preamp for a number of months, I'm wondering if it was the right decision. I only use it when I'm recording my final mix (I re-record all my tracks through the Neve). For the amount I paid I could have purchased a UAD Expert Pack and still have enough left over to buy an Express Pack or even the Waves SSL plugins (which I hear do the same thing, like fattening up and smoothing out the tracks). Now that UAD have the Neve plugins, I'm thinking maybe I should go this route. ?

I really don't know...that's why I'm hear. I can't demo the UAD plugins since I'd have to purchase the card, and Waves require the dongle.
I'm not a professional producer, I produce my own music, no one else's. My songs are instrumentals, I use synths, drum samples, and an analog drum machine. Thoughts/suggestions? Could UAD plugins give me fatter, warmer tracks that aren't as...questionable? Thanks.
 
Hi matthew-r,

what kind of converters do you use? There's not much sense in using a highend preamp with mediocre converters IMHO.

For fattening up sounds I'd recommend this free plugin (someone at this board made me try it, thanks BTW!): http://www.mcrow.net/Preamp%20Emulator%20VST.htm

There's a fantastic freeware EQ availible to really give punch to any recordings (don't be fooled by it's looks), I like it better than the Waves SSL:
http://www.ddmf.eu/IIEQ.htm

In the end it also often comes down to the quality of the initial signal (samples and synth sounds in your case). Running things through a transformer (like the Neve preamp) is a good idea generally, but it cannot do magic (most of the time).

Could you upload a snippet of your music for us to hear? i think it would be a lot easier to make recommendations then (for instance if a UAD-1 might do the trick).

Cheers,

Gregor
 

Eric Dahlberg

Purveyor of musical dreams fullfilled.
The LA2A & 1176 will have about the same affect on your synths that you've described getting from your Neve. That is, the synths will definitely sound better but the difference is generally more subtle, not a night & day kind of thing that you seem to be looking for. The Pultec & Neve will have even greater impacts, with the Pultec generally considered to be the one that makes things sound better even when it's not boosting or cutting anything.

For me, the ultimate plug-in for synths is the Roland CE-1. If you think about it, the CE-1 is basically the same chorus as was in some of the Roland analog synths & the UAD-1 version does a great job of making any synth sound bigger & more \"Jupiter-like\". Great on leads, pads, & effects.
 

Beat God

Member
i've been using the dimension d on synths after wondering why i bought it and the ce. and it really adds a nice effect. i have now fallen in love with it.
 

matthew_r

New Member
sort of off topic but what exactly is the difference between the dimension d and CE-1 ? Based on the info, they sound like the same exact effect. ?
 

olafmol

Member
a nice pre-amp can warm up your sounds quiet nicely, but imho all this high-end stuff is often quiet subtile. I think that the way you use your neve-clone, for recording parts into your DAW, and afterwards for processing an entire mix through the unit, is the way to go. But i feel you want a littlebit more extreme sculpting/processing possibilities, and for this the UAD1 is very usefull and powerfull.

Some plugins i use, besides the UAD1 ones, to warm up/roughen my sounds, are: Camelphat free, Blockfish, Dominion, PocketLimiter, Voxengo Analogsuite (tapesim and convolution plugin)

Olaf
 

Arys Chien

Active Member
I'm not sure if it's the Brent Avrill 1272 you are talking about. If it is, then I also have one.

My own experience is that, with every outboard pre-amp that we use to \"improve\" our DAW sounds, we have to find the right volume/level setting everywhere in the chain.

You need enough energy coming out of you DAW, or your sound would be weak. Yet if the sound is too loud before if reaches the pre-amp, then your sound would be too big, and it'd look like you breathe too much air into a balloon, and the pattern on the surface of the balloon simply becomes vauge.

Then you need to set the right input gain and the output level of the pre-amp carefully. There's a perfect spot that changes with the material (the sound coming out of the DAW). You have to turn the knob very slowly.

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On the other hand, even if you have done everything right, the BA Neve 1272 might just not be the right pre-amp for you material. Sometimes an API 312 is better; sometimes it's the opposite. There's no perfect pre-amp for everything.

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If you want to \"enhance\" individual tracks, outboard pre-amps can be good. Yet if you want to \"warm up\" an ITB mix, IMHO, you need an outboard that has tubes. The Manley Vari-MU limiter compressor I'm using is very good for this purpose, much better than my BA Neve 1272 or BA API 312.

If you're using plug-ins, it's hard to really \"warm up\" anything, since the best they can do is to make things \"less harsh\" or \"cutting down the muddy or sterile part of the sound\".

Yet again, it's my personal, very humble opinion.
 

Eric Dahlberg

Purveyor of musical dreams fullfilled.
matthew_r said:
sort of off topic but what exactly is the difference between the dimension d and CE-1 ? Based on the info, they sound like the same exact effect. ?
Dimension D is subtle, it has the effect of making things sound wider without imparting much of a chorus sound. The CE-1 is the opposite, it's one of the heavier-handed chorus effects I've ever used (including my Ibanez & MXR analog pedals).
 

LFranco

Venerated Member
I think the UA plugins are the best around, and my opinion on how this company operates weighs in on my overall opinion about them. The sound of the plugins are amazing in comparison to other plugins and most importantly, clients of mine who hear the work I do with them are always simply blown away. As far as they are concerned, I have real 1176s and LA2As on deck, because they'll reference the work I've done for them to releases that I know used the real hardware from years ago.

From a user who works with these effects on a daily basis, who does work for individuals who can care less about the difference between the hardware 1176 and the software 1176 and just want their music to sound great, I have to tell you, at least once a week I say to myself \"wow, this is the best investment I've ever made.\"

You might hear about users who complain about the plugin count on the cards, well, I see it this way (because the sound of the UAD 1176 is simply amazing):

How much would it cost you to have 6 hardware 1176s in a session?
 

afone1977

Active Member
+ 10000 :wink:
 
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