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So the public beta for Vista is out on the streets

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I am in the beta testing program. I cant wait to check it out. I want to find some 64bit apps to try. at least MOTU has released their 64bit drivers. :)
 
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My first impression is DAMN! i dont want to look at XP ever again!
But i know it will be a little while before i can leave it behind.

Vista is a visual knockout. i love it :)
 

Tony Ostinato

Active Member
dammnn, i was so hoping for more of a command line interface kinda thing.
 
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I started off on a TRS 80 before i went to a 286 and DOS. i am so glad those days are gone. when when windows 3.11 came around i got Cubase for windows and thought it was the bomb. hehe.
 

cAPSLOCK

Active Member
That's because OSX is based on one of the most solid and powerful OS software ever developed.

I have not seen Vista yet, though and am willing to give it a chance.

I have to admit, though that the only thing exciting to me about Vista is the 64 bit part. I am sick of Microsoft's tendancy towards reasorce hogging 'features'. I am a minimalist to the extreme. I want my computer to be sleek and fast, not 'feature rich'.

I don't know if Tony was joking, but I kinda agree with that statement, in a way. ;)

Still without 64 bit drivers for either my soundcard (HDSP) or the UAD1s it's all moot.

I will likely dualboot it for a while to check it out.

cAPS
 

Dan Duskin

Established Member
cAPSLOCK said:
I am sick of Microsoft's tendancy towards reasorce hogging 'features'. I am a minimalist to the extreme. I want my computer to be sleek and fast, not 'feature rich'.
Keep in mind. To this day, windows is still the least bloated of the big 3 (windows, os x, popular linux release). i.e., compare the size of the install discs... compare the size of the system files... windows is still the smallest.

Recently a friend of mine installed a fresh copy of OS X Tiger on his Mac. I asked him to give me the size of his system folder before he installed anything else. I compared it to the size of my Windows & Documents And Settings folder combined (which I had several programs installed in). I was amazed to find that his system folder was about one 3rd larger than my windows and docs folders!
 
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Linux (SUSE) takes about four times as long as Vista to load. Vista loads much quicker than XP. I was mistaken when i thought there were MOTU drivers though. They are for XP 64 not Vista 64. :(
 

Eric Dahlberg

Purveyor of musical dreams fullfilled.
cAPSLOCK said:
That's because OSX is based on one of the most solid and powerful OS software ever developed.
Somebody corrected me on this recently. Apparently there's an OS banks use in their corporate offices that's even more solid than Unix. Can't remember the name of it right now.
 

topcat

New Member
I agree with cAPSLOCK - and I'm really interested in the 64-bit version - and have already installed the Beta 2 version in anticipation of any new driver releases.

Lynx have just released a 64-bit driver for Windows XP64, but this driver does not work with Vista 64-bit edition.

Early days yet I guess...
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cAPSLOCK

Active Member
I bet you a dollar (about all I have) that OS is a unix derivative Eric. Maybe Z/OS

To say that Linux is more bloated than Windows, is a huge misunderstanding. It CAN indeed be as bloated as you like, or it can run on a small thumb drive. You can run it in 64 megs pretty easily. Modo distros like Redhat or SUSE are not just the OS. They are also including tons of software including an entire internet suite, an Office Suite, GIMP (like photoshop), and tons of other open source software you might not need.

But my point was linux/bsd based OS's are EXTEMELY stable and can be quite resource friendly.

I am just afraid Vista will be so filled with 'features' it will be chewing up my ram and cpu cycles more than previous versions.

Still, I will gladly give it a chance when I can actually RUN IT. It doesn't like my machine for some reason. ;)

cAPS
 

daverich

Active Member
Linux is actually starting to get interesting with EXT porting over soon, hopefully some of the other companies will give it a go.

I've always really liked the idea of buy a DAW program which came with it's own OS, pre-customised.

Kind regards

Dave Rich
 

anha

Member
daverich said:
Linux is actually starting to get interesting with EXT porting over soon, hopefully some of the other companies will give it a go.

I've always really liked the idea of buy a DAW program which came with it's own OS, pre-customised.

Kind regards

Dave Rich
Maybe the Tascam X-48 is what you're looking for. DAW "program" with it's own OS. http://www.tascam.com/Products/x48.html Supports VST plugins but say goodbye to UAD-1.
 

Eric Dahlberg

Purveyor of musical dreams fullfilled.
cAPSLOCK said:
I bet you a dollar (about all I have) that OS is a unix derivative Eric. Maybe Z/OS
This mystery OS was developed in the 50's (1954, if I remember correctly) while Unix wasn't developed till the early 60's. I wish I could remember the name, a student of mine who used to work for NASA told me about it.
 

Dan Duskin

Established Member
While UNIX users love to say it's faster... test after test continues to show that windows is faster (OMG, so shocking! 1960's technology versus OS/2-NT technology from the late 80's and vitually completely rewritten using technologies from VMS, BeOS, and other, and it's called WINDOWS!). So after enough of those benchmarks debunked, they shut up... now they claim it's more stable. Well... yes, and no... UNIX can be built with literally nothing installed, or everything installed (THE most bloated OS on earth! i.e., virtually every poplular linux release, and OS X). If you really love clean and feature-free unix, fine... but it has no use today as a DAW... The average Linux or OS X is far less stable than a clean install of windows. What you want already exists... It runs on Linux, and only the DAW software is installed... Can you guess what it's called?
 

jcat

Active Member
Dan Duskin said:
While UNIX users love to say it's faster... test after test continues to show that windows is faster (OMG, so shocking! 1960's technology versus OS/2-NT technology from the late 80's and vitually completely rewritten using technologies from VMS, BeOS, and other, and it's called WINDOWS!).
=;

Come on Dan, really, cars were invented quite some time ago, but due to constant improvements you now get cars that can do 0-60M/h in under 3 seconds. The unix of today (depending on which flavour you're talking about) is greatly improved over the original concepts.

So after enough of those benchmarks debunked, they shut up...
This will vary from case to case, especially if you're talking about Linux. For instance you have the choice of re-compiling the kernel with the barest set of features required for a given job, that will SPANK a Windows "monolithic" kernel. Of course it's only good for one particular job, but that's the point of it!

Even on a non-open source system you can "tune" the kernel more than you can with windows. Again that will bias it a certain way, making it better at some things and worse at others.

The point is Windows only release one kernel (well two, workstation and server) and that has to be a jack of all trades, that kills performance, fact.


..now they claim it's more stable. Well... yes, and no... UNIX can be built with literally nothing installed, or everything installed (THE most bloated OS on earth! i.e., virtually every poplular linux release, and OS X). If you really love clean and feature-free unix, fine... but it has no use today as a DAW... The average Linux or OS X is far less stable than a clean install of windows. What you want already exists... It runs on Linux, and only the DAW software is installed... Can you guess what it's called?
When you say the "average" Linux or OS X is far less stable, what is "average" Linux? The point of it is that it exists in so many different permutations, there is no average linux!

And what use is a clean install of windows? :twisted: As soon as you've installed something it's no longer clean is it? Once you start using windows and expanding the registry, it just starts to get slower, what a system. The Registry was invented by Microsoft as a work-around for a problem in early pre-NT days. That work-around still exists today to help slow things down, great! :roll:


I'm not saying that *NIX software doesn’t crash, or can't be unstable, of course it can, especially if you use the of the more bleeding edge distro's that are out there. But there are also the extremely stable work horses Distro's that just do what they do, day in day out. It just seems to me that you have an extremely anti-*NIX outlook, and I can't understand why particularly.

After extensive use of both Windows and Linux (currently Gentoo mostly) I find pro's and cons for both systems, but being a slightly more experienced user I find myself preferring the infinite tweak-ability of Linux.

At the end of the day people use what they want to use, and what works for them. You can't say fairer than that. That's probably why over half the world web server are Linux based, leaving the rest spread between Unix and Windows... 8)




Cheers,

jcat
 

cAPSLOCK

Active Member
I run my audio computer in a Windows OS. It's really either that or Mac yes?

But the accounting system for my business, and fileserver runs on a fairly fine tuned Gentoo Linux machine.

The only time I have to restart the accounting machine... EVER is after a power failure. Other than the occasional power failure, this system has been running 24/7 for nearly 2 years.

For me, that is a fairly strong point.

But Linux for audio is still very far from on the par of Windows or Mac for audio. Just a lack of drivers and apps though.

Who knows, maybe the new google computer will help close the gap. I wouldn't mind.

cAPS
 

RWIL

Established Member
jcat said:
Once you start using windows and expanding the registry, it just starts to get slower, what a system. The Registry was invented by Microsoft as a work-around for a problem in early pre-NT days. That work-around still exists today to help slow things down, great! :roll:
Hi jcat,
I don't know where you read that or why registry could be the only culprit of slow things! Maybe some application may mess around the use of the registry, but IMHO, the registry is far far better that the use of the system.ini, win.ini etc of the Win 3.1 era! It give the way easily to have different setups/users for any app. and + so many things...
Maybe I'm wrong, but anyway I like my reg! :D

RW
 
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