So Weird That You Cannot Edit Across Many Tracks

[Favedave]

1. I select a bunch of channels using shift-click or command-click.
2. I pull the fader down on one of the selected channels.
3. The other selected channels do not respond.

This is ridiculous! THey would in any other DAW. And I'd be able to make other edits across tracks like that, too.

To do this simple basic function that all DAWs do easily, you have to make a freaking group in Luna! What is the thinking behind this? I don't want a group that I'll never use again and I don't want to add more steps to the workflow.

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Done! No group making!

Yes, I've sent feedback.

 

[Steven A]

I believe you just want to use this feature "SELECTION GROUP", and turn it off when not needed. I use it all the time.
It's been a long time since I've used specific groups (lazy)

 

[Favedave]

Thank you for the effort, but this Selection Group button has no effect. Here is what happens:

1. I have three adjacent tracks that all have Volume View enabled. They are all showing the rubber bands.
2. I click and drag across those tracks and select them. They are highlighted.
3. I pull down the rubber band on one of those tracks.
4. ONLY the track I pull down the rubber band on responds. The other rubber bands do not move.

*sigh* Why does this program behave in weird ways that are counter to every Mac interface standard?

 

[chrisso]

If I highlight several channels in the mixer window and move one fader all the others act in tandem.
This is without creating a group.

 

[Favedave]

If I highlight several channels in the mixer window and move one fader all the others act in tandem.
This is without creating a group.

Yes, that works with faders, but NOT with automation rubber bands.

 

[chrisso]

If you are going to make automation moves, why not make a group? It takes 5 seconds to do, a second to click it on and off to make individual adjustments.

 

[8thnote]

I have had this issue for a long time. Can't do automation edits in groups. I've been through numerous versions of LUNA and checked every setting but if I want to do volume move on a group it only works on the channel I actually do it on.

I've been using LUNA since day one and still can't figure this one out. I can edit the region gain in a group but not automation.

Using a Mac mini i7 32g ram on Mojave with session on outboard SSDs but this goes back to earlier systems for me.

 

[Favedave]

If you are going to make automation moves, why not make a group? It takes 5 seconds to do, a second to click it on and off to make individual adjustments.

Srsly? Well, I guess you and I value our time differently! When working with 80+ tracks, making Groups is laborious. AND those groups change -- sometimes I want to edit the levels of tracks A, B, and C at the same time, sometimes I want to edit the tracks B, C, and D at the same time. Then I'd had to ungroujp them, make a new groups, etc. It's MUCH faster to swipe across or command click what I want then adjust.

 

[Favedave]

I have had this issue for a long time. Can't do automation edits in groups. I've been through numerous versions of LUNA and checked every setting but if I want to do volume move on a group it only works on the channel I actually do it on.

I've been using LUNA since day one and still can't figure this one out. I can edit the region gain in a group but not automation.

Using a Mac mini i7 32g ram on Mojave with session on outboard SSDs but this goes back to earlier systems for me.

Yeah, for Luna being the latest DAW to be made, there are some odd omissions and weirdness:

1. Font is insanely small for modern monitors.
2. Colors are limited. (This matters when doing large sessions.)
3. No custom hotkeys and the hotkeys that exist are super counter intuitive. (Do they come from ProTools? I dunno.)
4. When selecting a channel on one computer monitor, it does not select the corresponding track on the other monitor. Most people use more than one monitor.
5. No UNDO HISTORY. This seems odd, since it remembers all the undoes from sessions past, yet it cannot show them.

Anyway, it's a work in progress, so maybe these things will be added. Or, in the case of the fonts, CORRECTED.

Very ironic: the feedback box has the smallest fonts of all! My theory: all UAD Programmers have monitors from 1995 set at 640x480

 

[slamthecrank]

Yeah, for Luna being the latest DAW to be made, there are some odd omissions and weirdness:

1. Font is insanely small for modern monitors.
2. Colors are limited. (This matters when doing large sessions.)
3. No custom hotkeys and the hotkeys that exist are super counter intuitive. (Do they come from ProTools? I dunno.)
4. When selecting a channel on one computer monitor, it does not select the corresponding track on the other monitor. Most people use more than one monitor.
5. No UNDO HISTORY. This seems odd, since it remembers all the undoes from sessions past, yet it cannot show them.

Anyway, it's a work in progress, so maybe these things will be added. Or, in the case of the fonts, CORRECTED.

Very ironic: the feedback box has the smallest fonts of all! My theory: all UAD Programmers have monitors from 1995 set at 640x480

Luna definitely has some room to grow, for sure.

But --
1. Font is insanely small for modern monitors.

I just checked - Luna's main font size is exactly the same as Logic Pro's and Pro Tools - with the exception being the feedback box, which has that insanely small font.

2. Colors are limited. (This matters when doing large sessions.)

Totally agree. They could add some options here.

3. No custom hotkeys and the hotkeys that exist are super counter intuitive. (Do they come from ProTools? I dunno.)

They do come from Pro Tools, for the most part. This makes it SUPER easy to navigate for those who are familiar with PT. I don't find them counter-intuitive at all, but then again I come from Pro Tools where those hotkeys have been in place for 25 years.

4. When selecting a channel on one computer monitor, it does not select the corresponding track on the other monitor. Most people use more than one monitor.

I haven't had that issue. However, I do not use more than one monitor -- and I'd say that more than half of the studios that I work in only use one monitor, which is anecdotal, but still. I'm sure they'll fix the dual monitor thing at some point. (Hopefully after they add hardware inserts )

5. No UNDO HISTORY. This seems odd, since it remembers all the undoes from sessions past, yet it cannot show them.

Yeah, I agree that they could show the undo history somehow. There seems to be a very robust system for saving the history of the session (I don't think I've ever reached the 'end' of an UNDO marathon. It's pretty extensive. It'd be nice to have access to that.

 

[chrisso]

1) I have no problem with the font on my MacBook Air and LG monitor.
2) Yeah, more colours are needed.
4) I select channels on different monitors all the time, I can't remember having this issue.
5) You can undo things, in the edit tab at the top. Yeah, you can only undo them one at a time. An alternative is to create versions and name them.

 

[chrisso]

Srsly? Well, I guess you and I value our time differently! When working with 80+ tracks, making Groups is laborious. AND those groups change -- sometimes I want to edit the levels of tracks A, B, and C at the same time, sometimes I want to edit the tracks B, C, and D at the same time.

Creating, disabling and editing groups is incredibly quick and easy. I also use the trim to change overall levels on parts of a group.
All the time I click 'off' the group button to alter one track in the group, then click it back 'on' afterwards.
I guess the glaring omission is being able to select multiple tracks and move automation on those tracks. I wasn't aware that couldn't be done, as most edits are copied when you select multiple tracks.

 

[alamere]

COMPLETELY agree with the limited track colors. That's one I don't understand at all since the earlier versions of LUNA allowed you to literally select any color you wanted. But then they took that away and gave us the super limited pallet. Super weird.

Also, even with groups on, I still can't hand draw automation with a mouse as far as I can tell??
It works sometimes in 'latch' mode for whatever reason but when I'm drawing automation with the drums I have to click and draw the automation points on every single track in order to get it to work. That's, strange.. and unfortunately, slow and inefficient.
@UniversalAudio is there something we are missing in regards to drawing automation when using a group so that it affects every track within the group??

 

[UniversalAudio]

COMPLETELY agree with the limited track colors. That's one I don't understand at all since the earlier versions of LUNA allowed you to literally select any color you wanted. But then they took that away and gave us the super limited pallet. Super weird.

Also, even with groups on, I still can't hand draw automation with a mouse as far as I can tell??
It works sometimes in 'latch' mode for whatever reason but when I'm drawing automation with the drums I have to click and draw the automation points on every single track in order to get it to work. That's, strange.. and unfortunately, slow and inefficient.
@UniversalAudio is there something we are missing in regards to drawing automation when using a group so that it affects every track within the group??

This was not part of the Group feature spec. We've gotten a little bit of feedback about it, but only a few requests.

Personally I think this would wreak havoc unless all the grouped tracks had the same volume which is likely a rare occurrence. You'd end up with radical changes to the "other tracks" as you drew on one of them.

 

[8thnote]

"Personally I think this would wreak havoc unless all the grouped tracks had the same volume which is likely a rare occurrence. You'd end up with radical changes to the "other tracks" as you drew on one of them."

Yes but more times than not I do have a group that are the same level and just need a nudge one way or the other. If they are different levels I would just turn the group off. Would be nice to have to have the choice. I'm one of the ones who has left feedback.

 

[UniversalAudio]

"Personally I think this would wreak havoc unless all the grouped tracks had the same volume which is likely a rare occurrence. You'd end up with radical changes to the "other tracks" as you drew on one of them."

Yes but more times than not I do have a group that are the same level and just need a nudge one way or the other. If they are different levels I would just turn the group off. Would be nice to have to have the choice. I'm one of the ones who has left feedback.

Use the trim auto commands introduced in 1.2.8. SOO much better/easier.

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[alamere]

Use the trim auto commands introduced in 1.2.8. SOO much better/easier.

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Yeah, this is really cool.

If you select multiple tracks, does it work the same way??

Is there a place online somewhere where we can learn more about automation inside of LUNA? I tried the youtube channel and couldn't find anything.. (maybe I suck at searching?)

For me, so far... automation in Pro-tools is easier to navigate then the automation in Luna.
It's the one thing that has made me consider switching back to PT for mixing actually.

 

[UniversalAudio]

Yeah, this is really cool.

If you select multiple tracks, does it work the same way??

Is there a place online somewhere where we can learn more about automation inside of LUNA? I tried the youtube channel and couldn't find anything.. (maybe I suck at searching?)

For me, so far... automation in Pro-tools is easier to navigate then the automation in Luna.
It's the one thing that has made me consider switching back to PT for mixing actually.

Yes!! Use the Option-Command-/ to trim.

https://help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/360041758592-Download-the-LUNA-Manual

 

[Favedave]

This was not part of the Group feature spec. We've gotten a little bit of feedback about it, but only a few requests.

Personally I think this would wreak havoc unless all the grouped tracks had the same volume which is likely a rare occurrence. You'd end up with radical changes to the "other tracks" as you drew on one of them.

What about my original issue?

1. I select a bunch of tracks using shift-click or command-click.
2. I pull the rubber band down on one of the selected channels.
3. The other selected channels do not respond.

Again, this is without having to do the cumbersome Make Groups thing, which is impractical, as the tracks I need to edit change on a case by case basis and are not always the same neat little groups.

 

[S_Masoner]

What DAW does this currently? Just tried your method in PT and Cubase, didn't work
Maybe I'm missing something