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MASSIVE Mastering
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Just for fun, I tried it just like that -
It was terrible. Horrible. Completely wrong for this mix. Pretty much as I expected. I'm sure on a mix that was asking for those settings, it'd be fine.
But that's the point... You should do what the mix tells you to do. Not what a preset tells you.
It was terrible. Horrible. Completely wrong for this mix. Pretty much as I expected. I'm sure on a mix that was asking for those settings, it'd be fine.
But that's the point... You should do what the mix tells you to do. Not what a preset tells you.
Well of course its not going to work on every mix. I wasn't promoting presets just a nice way to warm up a track.
If you were using hip hop, its all wrong.
Try something like an acoustic track with some light drumming, guess I should have clarified that.
And John, you are the last person I would want critiquing plug ins, given that you own such nice hardware. :twisted:
If you were using hip hop, its all wrong.
Try something like an acoustic track with some light drumming, guess I should have clarified that.
And John, you are the last person I would want critiquing plug ins, given that you own such nice hardware. :twisted:
Phil Chamney
Member
Of course Massive is right. There can be no set plan. That is what the knob-twiddler is for.
These are some fine tools.
These are some fine tools.
well... instead, he should quickly get back to the studio AND stay there for a couple of years waiting after his gear & computer screen to tell him something that we, humble mortals, couldn't simply never hear...dt said:If mixes and presets are talking to you, perhaps you should get out of the studio for a few hours. If while taking a stroll in the park, dogs and cats should start talking to you too... well, can't help you there.MASSIVE Mastering said:
take care
Oh my! FYI... Presets never work! Presets never work! Presets never work! Presets never work! Presets never work! Presets never work! Presets never work! Presets never work! Presets never work! Presets never work! Presets never work! Presets never work! Presets never work! Presets never work!
Doublehelix
Active Member
Plec said:
What are you trying to say Plec???
Please, be more clear next time!!! I am also an "anti-preset" kind of guy. Sometimes with a new plugin, I will go through the presets to see what some of the possibilites are. Like with the Fairchild... what a complicated beast at first glance, but after poking around for a while and looking at the presets, I started to get my head around how the danged thing works. Love it!
Ashermusic
Active Member
I have had this argument before. There are 2 good reasons for presets:Cat5 said:
1. It helps educate people. They can see what the designers thought would help them achieve the description and whther they agree or disagree that it has achieved that they will have learned something about the plug-in.
2. Presets put you in the ball park. In Logic Pro I frequently use them as a jumping off point to tweak and save as Channel Strips.
I used to think this was due to my not being a real engineer but the engineer I use to mix my film music in PT HD basically uses a similar methodolgy.
So UA, keep those presets coming!
Arys Chien
Active Member
Presets help me learning to know a new tool. After I know enough about it, I start to try to do better than the presets. 8)
MASSIVE Mastering
Active Member
Well, *some* presets - Mostly with EQ - are at least \"telling\" to a point... \"Add Highs\" and \"Smiley\" and \"Boost Lows\" and such. So *IF* that's what you're trying to do, that's great.
But dynamics - Where there are SOOOOOO many things that are going to affect everything - I see presets like \"Light Buss Compression\" - Light for WHAT?!? Light for a metal band mixed at -20dBRMS? at -15? at -12? Light for an orchestra? A jazz band mixed at -20dBRMS? at -15? Is it light with a slow A&R? Fast? Fast attack and slow release? Slow attack and fast release?
I mean, without knowing the timbre, the speed, the overall level, the arrangement, the way the sounds intertwine - How can you make a preset that's actually applicable to anything but what the programmer was working on?
When I listen to something, I know what I want to hear. It's faster to just adjust it myself.
But dynamics - Where there are SOOOOOO many things that are going to affect everything - I see presets like \"Light Buss Compression\" - Light for WHAT?!? Light for a metal band mixed at -20dBRMS? at -15? at -12? Light for an orchestra? A jazz band mixed at -20dBRMS? at -15? Is it light with a slow A&R? Fast? Fast attack and slow release? Slow attack and fast release?
I mean, without knowing the timbre, the speed, the overall level, the arrangement, the way the sounds intertwine - How can you make a preset that's actually applicable to anything but what the programmer was working on?
When I listen to something, I know what I want to hear. It's faster to just adjust it myself.
RWIL
Established Member
You are a PRO! So I'm not surprise that presets are not your cup of tea! To my own concern, I don't really care about the preset's name, except at first if there is a category. Since I have too a strong idea about what I want to hear (like most of people I think), I found usefull at first to parse different presets because I learn as much when it sound bad than good. In either way I can try to catch why the sound is less good or better. It's also a nice way to be surprise (or lucky!) to get something interesting for which I would maybe never think or even dare to try.MASSIVE Mastering said:
Finally, I'm little surprise that a kind of debate around preset or not may raise, wathever the tools and the way you are using them to build a table; if the table is well made and beautifull, it's not the most important?
Cheers,
RW