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Ten Good Reasons I'm not going to buy a UAD

Joey123

Member
I came, I saw and I prevented major wastes of time and money. If you want to know why I'm not joining the Cult of Price Preceding Problems, here is an explanation from an older student who go cold feet. I like the people here but in some cases I'm not going to share your problems, you made your bed.

1. The card. Physically the hardware walks, talks and acts as a cheap video card, yet sells for $400.00 retail.

2. It runs hot - yet for $400 there's not even an inexpensive fan included like the cheapest of video cards.

3. It runs on like 4 configurations of computers, and if you have an otherwise good motherboard/RAM/Processor/audio interface, you still might be screwed because the UAD(s) won't work.

4. For being described as a supercomputer chip, most UAD-lovers seem to need more than one to make any kind of sense on one.

5. Even the beloved Fairchild has owners asking why there isn't simpler documentation to get it to work for them.

6. With a suggested price of $79.00 to $500 per plugin, my neighbor scored a BOSS CE-1 Plug-In for $50 at a pawn shop. Works fine. It's REAL. Don't have 15 instances at the same time? Then put 15 tracks through the bus.

7. Some plugins like Nigel and RealVerb are Universally despised, no pun intended. They are worse than software that costs less.

8. When a paid owner says something isn't quite right, they get the common answer that \"in the old days, people said the same thing\", and look what happened to Universal between the 50's and like, 60s. Bull. Universal analog equipment sounded good and didn't cause all kinds of technical malfunctions.

9. When freeware plugins described in this forum are as appreciated as the UA plugins, SIR (I'm not going back to look them up but you can find them) and others, and again, usually $150 per plug? Uhm...

10. The plugin prices are flat out ridiculous. I can see the $150 for the Fairchild, it's a great value if it was modeled right, but the rest of the prices are a whole lot of corporate and a whole little consumer.

I think the problem is the overhyped name associated with a crappy overall product. People who can't get a good sound to begin with due to talent malnourishment think that 4 UADs are going to solve the problem. After all, name brands don't turn their backs on you do they?

In conclusion I hope you all have a good time with your money spent and time killed. Let me know when the UAD card goes for $50 with fan, the plugins are priced at $50 as well and they don't screw up your computer, when all other PCI cards on Planet Earth seem to work fine.

Joey
 

Joey123

Member
Okay diggo, you want to call names; I'm a troll now, now answer the troll point by point - an I a right, money and time saving troll or a wrong one?

Talk me into spending sales discount to $625.00 - my quote for one UAD and Flexipack.

And Henchman, I agree, it sounds like I'm off meds. No gripe toward you, and in fact I was sure someone would delete this post, but hey...

If someone convinces me otherwise on these ten points, I'll be UA's biggest fan and buy everything in sight.

Thanks for your time,
Joey
 

Henchman

Active Member
Joey123 said:
If someone convinces me otherwise on these ten points, I'll be UA's biggest fan and buy everything in sight.

Thanks for your time,
Joey
1. Size isn't everything
2. Why woudl you want extra fans, if you don't need them? They only make noise. PT's HD cards don't have fans on them. Are they crap?
3. It runs on tons of computers and configurations. Maybe there's a problem with YOUR set-up.
4. Some people have expansion chassis full of PT's HD crads. Some use only 1. I have 4 cards, becasue I want to be able to use alot of different plug-ins. A couple og EMT plates, some 1176's, LA-2A's a couple of Fairchilds etc.
5.I I'm sorry, but I have no problem using any of the plug-ins. You can't blame peoples ignoarnce on the plug-in. They're as simple a sit gets.
6. These plug-ins are cheap. Check the price sof othe rplug-ins. Try URS or McDSP. How about $500,- per p[lug-in.
7. I don't ever use Nigel. But I have used the Realverb, and have gotten some excellent sound sout of it. But the plate is my first "go-to" reverb.
8. I don't quite get this problem.
9. There ceratainly are freeware plug-ins that I appreciate. The noisgate by digital phishpones is awesome. But I have yet to use a freeware compressor that comes close to any of the UAD plug-ins. Or a chorus that comes close to the CE-1, or a reverb that comes close to the Plate.
10. Yes. You're right. The prices are ridiculous. But don't say anythign, or they'll start charging $500,- per plug-in like othe rmanufacturers.

As I said nefore. My 4 UAD's allow me too get the results I used to get usign an SSL etc. In conjunction with some othe rplug-ins and a bit of Talent.
10.
 

HotRats

Member
hi man, here's my 2€cents.

1. The card. Physically the hardware walks, talks and acts as a cheap video card, yet sells for $400.00 retail.
yes, but the card is sold with some plug-ins included
la2a, 1176se, realverb, niegel, CS.
niegl and CS are modular so for 400€ you get a card and about
10 great plug-ins.

2. It runs hot - yet for $400 there's not even an inexpensive fan included like the cheapest of video cards.
it runs hot but not enough to cause problems.

3. It runs on like 4 configurations of computers, and if you have an otherwise good motherboard/RAM/Processor/audio interface, you still might be screwed because the UAD(s) won't work.
that's not true.
as alwayes happens with hardware devices there some configurations
that won't work.
it's not UAD specific problem.

4. For being described as a supercomputer chip, most UAD-lovers seem to need more than one to make any kind of sense on one.
uad chip is a \"supercomputer\". you missed a point.
1st the algorithms of uad plug.ins are very cpu intensive and the do need
a dps card. the same algorithm complied for a native plug-in will probably
suck all your cpu out.

2nd a dsp card will free you cpu for automation, native plug.ins, track count, video sync, etc, etc.


5. Even the beloved Fairchild has owners asking why there isn't simpler documentation to get it to work for them.
give a real Fairchild to the same owners and they'll get the same problems.

and yes...knowledge and experience are not included in the card.

6. With a suggested price of $79.00 to $500 per plugin, my neighbor scored a BOSS CE-1 Plug-In for $50 at a pawn shop. Works fine. It's REAL. Don't have 15 instances at the same time? Then put 15 tracks through the bus.
I think you can't find a lower qualiy/price ratio on the market.
i.e. compare the mastering bundle prices with waves prices for similar
plugins.


7. Some plugins like Nigel and RealVerb are Universally despised, no pun intended. They are worse than software that costs less.
imho niegel is a good plug-in. not for guitar amp/cabinet simulations (i don't like, but for his effect section.
ok, it's not a must-have.

RealVerb. real verb is a complex machine that's why is hard to get
good results.
but you do can get very good reverbes out of realverb.
try it...and let me know.


8. When a paid owner says something isn't quite right, they get the common answer that \"in the old days, people said the same thing\", and look what happened to Universal between the 50's and like, 60s. Bull. Universal analog equipment sounded good and didn't cause all kinds of technical malfunctions.
i don't get your point.

9. When freeware plugins described in this forum are as appreciated as the UA plugins, SIR (I'm not going back to look them up but you can find them) and others, and again, usually $150 per plug? Uhm...
yes...150€. much than a free plugin, less than waves, urs, mcdsp ones.


10. The plugin prices are flat out ridiculous. I can see the $150 for the Fairchild, it's a great value if it was modeled right, but the rest of the prices are a whole lot of corporate and a whole little consumer.
maybe you're right but I'm not sure i've understood you words (i'm italian)


so.
go to a friend of yours and try to mix a project with the uad.
i'm sure you'll find your self smiling as a child with a brend new icecream
in his hands.

imho, UAD-1 is really one of the best buy a musician can do in these days.
 

Paul Woodlock

Established Member
Joey123 said:
I came, I saw and I prevented major wastes of time and money. If you want to know why I'm not joining the Cult of Price Preceding Problems, here is an explanation from an older student who go cold feet. I like the people here but in some cases I'm not going to share your problems, you made your bed.

1. The card. Physically the hardware walks, talks and acts as a cheap video card, yet sells for $400.00 retail.
First no one pays retail. secondly it's economy of scale. There's many millions of video cards sold. A huge magnitude higher than the UAD-1 card.

I would say the card is very good value.

2. It runs hot - yet for $400 there's not even an inexpensive fan included like the cheapest of video cards.
Each card consumes about 12 to 13W. Yes they're warm, but so what? Never been an issue here.


3. It runs on like 4 configurations of computers, and if you have an otherwise good motherboard/RAM/Processor/audio interface, you still might be screwed because the UAD(s) won't work.
Only 4? I don't buy that. there's loads of satified UAD-1 users with all kinds of setups

4. For being described as a supercomputer chip, most UAD-lovers seem to need more than one to make any kind of sense on one.
It's upto the user how mnay he wants to use. Much better to have it scalable than one large 4xpower card

5. Even the beloved Fairchild has owners asking why there isn't simpler documentation to get it to work for them.
Learning how to use the gear is the responsibility of the user. The docs, even for the fairchild are simple to understand for anyone knowing their craft. Id peple can't understand the docs then they need to learn more about AE.

6. With a suggested price of $79.00 to $500 per plugin, my neighbor scored a BOSS CE-1 Plug-In for $50 at a pawn shop. Works fine. It's REAL. Don't have 15 instances at the same time? Then put 15 tracks through the bus.
So?

7. Some plugins like Nigel and RealVerb are Universally despised, no pun intended. They are worse than software that costs less.
You don't have to own every UAD01 plugin. I'm not keen on realverb, but the 1176, and many more more than make up for that.

8. When a paid owner says something isn't quite right, they get the common answer that "in the old days, people said the same thing", and look what happened to Universal between the 50's and like, 60s. Bull. Universal analog equipment sounded good and didn't cause all kinds of technical malfunctions.
Well I've nver had any technical malfunctions with my UAD-1 cards. I also don't really get where you're coming from with this point ?????



9. When freeware plugins described in this forum are as appreciated as the UA plugins, SIR (I'm not going back to look them up but you can find them) and others, and again, usually $150 per plug? Uhm...
SIR is great. I use it in every project. There is no freeware ( or paid native ) equivelent to the 1176, pultec Pro, Dimension-D, etc

10. The plugin prices are flat out ridiculous. I can see the $150 for the Fairchild, it's a great value if it was modeled right, but the rest of the prices are a whole lot of corporate and a whole little consumer.

I don't agree at all. The plugs are very competitively priced. And considering how good they ( most of them ) sound, they're are extremely good value


I think the problem is the overhyped name associated with a crappy overall product. People who can't get a good sound to begin with due to talent malnourishment think that 4 UADs are going to solve the problem. After all, name brands don't turn their backs on you do they?
Don't blame UA for peoples inadequacies and false hopes.

Some of us know what we're doing and get graet sounds of UAD-1 plugs.

In conclusion I hope you all have a good time with your money spent and time killed. Let me know when the UAD card goes for $50 with fan, the plugins are priced at $50 as well and they don't screw up your computer, when all other PCI cards on Planet Earth seem to work fine.

Joey
Well I consider my 3 UAD-1 cards and plugs the best value for money I've ever spent on my DAW system.

I really think you've scraped the barrel to come up with these 10 points. But amazingly you've missed the ONE important reason why buying a UAD-1 card might not be a good idea at this time....

And that's because PCI is dead.
 

Paul Woodlock

Established Member
[ continued due to post corruption above..]


Don't blame UA for peoples inadequacies and false hopes.

Some of us know what we're doing and get graet sounds of UAD-1 plugs.

In conclusion I hope you all have a good time with your money spent and time killed. Let me know when the UAD card goes for $50 with fan, the plugins are priced at $50 as well and they don't screw up your computer, when all other PCI cards on Planet Earth seem to work fine.

Joey
Well I consider my 3 UAD-1 cards and plugs the best value for money I've ever spent on my DAW system.

I really think you've scraped the barrel to come up with these 10 points. But amazingly you've missed the ONE important reason why buying a UAD-1 card might not be a good idea at this time....

And that's because PCI is dead.
 

Dan Duskin

Established Member
Let me first clarify that I am NOT a member of the UAD \"CULT\"... I like the UAD because it sounds good and works well... and any and every problem it has I have been first to JUMP to the front and complain about it... i.e., instead of act like it's perfect in every possible way... it's not.

Now I will continue ;)

1. The card. Physically the hardware walks, talks and acts as a cheap video card, yet sells for $400.00 retail.
true... it's an old pci graphics card. however, we aren't using it for graphics. what matters is how it works for plugins, right?


2. It runs hot - yet for $400 there's not even an inexpensive fan included like the cheapest of video cards.
for the first time tonight i reached in my daw and put my fingers on the 2 cards to see how hot they are. i never realized they are hot before... somehow i must have missed people mentioning that. yeah, they are pretty warm... but i haven't had one die from overheating yet, has this happened to someone yet?


3. It runs on like 4 configurations of computers, and if you have an otherwise good motherboard/RAM/Processor/audio interface, you still might be screwed because the UAD(s) won't work.
from my personal experiance, it works in any and every computer with a standard 32bit/33mhz pci slot. it only gets quirky if you put it in some other kind of slot.


4. For being described as a supercomputer chip, most UAD-lovers seem to need more than one to make any kind of sense on one.
what can i say... we're greedy ;)
most daw users i know want more cpu power too... ;)
i find that 2 cards is perfect for me most of the time... and i'm a very intense plugin user (i max out systems without blinking;)
that being said... i want two more cards ;)


5. Even the beloved Fairchild has owners asking why there isn't simpler documentation to get it to work for them.
well... it was designed like the original... what can i tell ya.
bu it's a great compressor!


6. With a suggested price of $79.00 to $500 per plugin, my neighbor scored a BOSS CE-1 Plug-In for $50 at a pawn shop. Works fine. It's REAL. Don't have 15 instances at the same time? Then put 15 tracks through the bus.
prices range... their are a few good free plugins... some good plugins for under $100 (like voxengo)... some that are many MANY hundreds (even over $1,000) of dollars.
for good/great quality plugins, the prices are below average


7. Some plugins like Nigel and RealVerb are Universally despised, no pun intended. They are worse than software that costs less.
imho, nigel is no better or worse than amp-farm (line6/pod) or most other \"high-end\" amp simulators. and i don't like any of them very much... at least not alone, but blended with real amps, oh yeah!


8. When a paid owner says something isn't quite right, they get the common answer that \"in the old days, people said the same thing\", and look what happened to Universal between the 50's and like, 60s. Bull. Universal analog equipment sounded good and didn't cause all kinds of technical malfunctions.
i read that on every audio forum...


9. When freeware plugins described in this forum are as appreciated as the UA plugins, SIR (I'm not going back to look them up but you can find them) and others, and again, usually $150 per plug? Uhm...
see my comment on #6


10. The plugin prices are flat out ridiculous. I can see the $150 for the Fairchild, it's a great value if it was modeled right, but the rest of the prices are a whole lot of corporate and a whole little consumer.
see my comment on #6
 

jcat

Active Member
I was going to answer all the points, but I've been beaten to to!

All there is left to say is,

Case Closed

=D>


Cheers,

jcat
 

MASSIVE Mastering

Active Member
I was going to answer too, but all I need to know is that I'd *still* pay for the entire UAD rig just for ONE instance each of Pultec and the Precision EQ.

If I needed a different computer to get that sound, I'd do it.

If I needed to run additional cooling for it, I'd do it.




Obviously, he hasn't tried those two plugs... :lol:
 

klimt

New Member
I agree about the prices. UAD seems to compare itself to REAL hardware in terms of prices.. dont jump in and say Fairchild is X 000's.. I'm just saying that the kind of £500 - £800 is what project studios expect to pay for mid level hardware. UAD is better than mid-level hardware so you think its a good deal.

.. but it IS still a graphics card that should sell for £10.

But so what? The plug-ins sound great.
 

Joey123

Member
to all of you - a mighty thanks - a good family argument can sometimes get to the bottom of things a lot better than other methods of inquiry.

Under pressure, you guys still love what you bought, and that says a lot if you're willing to defend it.

If I get one I'll let you know, but if not I won't bug you all anymore.

I wish they had student grants for UADs but they don't :D
 

jcat

Active Member
Joey123 said:
to all of you - a mighty thanks - a good family argument can sometimes get to the bottom of things a lot better than other methods of inquiry.

Under pressure, you guys still love what you bought, and that says a lot if you're willing to defend it.

If I get one I'll let you know, but if not I won't bug you all anymore.

I wish they had student grants for UADs but they don't :D
Hehe, just glad this didn't turn out to be a real flamer! 8)



Cheers,

jcat
 

dt

Member
All that needs to be said here, has been, but if I might add a general observation:

Most people tend to judge value based on the following, in order (I tend to do this myself from time to time), so this isn't specific to this thread necessarily:

1 - budget
2 - quantity
3 - quality

This is just human nature, but it is something to keep in mind. While a $10 circuit board and parts may seem pricey at $400, it has no functionality as such. However a high end compressor for $400 doesn't seems so bad, and several of them is even better. Other than tubes and larger components, most vintage gear the UAD-1 emulates didn't contain any more circuitry than a PCI card does. As parts, most weren't worth $100, but as a tool, well, we've all seen the prices of a real Fairchild comp.

Value is quite often subjective to the user (nothing wrong with that), but the key is to find the value in terms of increased productivity, quality and capability whether as a professional, amateur or hobbiest. Decide what product or products give you the most improvement for your budget, and make the most of that until you have other options. For certain, find out what problems you might encounter and weigh how much that might detract from enjoying the product. That said, I've never had a problem with my UAD-1s in two different PCs. In fact, my UAD-1s were probably the best investment I've made in my mixes other than great mics and preamps.
 
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