The UAD-1e Express PAK & Expert PAK

[digigem]

The UAD-1e Express PAK & Expert PAK realised.

 

[Mike Fader]

info in FAQ

did you read the following:

Is there more DSP on the PCIe card?
No, it is the same DSP chip as the UAD-1, but it runs more efficiently, so in some cases you will be able to load more plug-ins.


Found in: http://www.uaudio.com/products/digital/ ... k/FAQ.html

so in my opinion it's not the best solution. I need and want more dsp-power.

bye,
Mike

 

[xist2005]

As I've said elsewhere, a big disappointment especially after all this time...

 

[peter893]

any word on upgrade options ?
users of PCI card to PCI-e


pete

 

[TheHopiWay]

any word on upgrade options ?
users of PCI card to PCI-e


pete

This from the UAD site;


What if I own a UAD-1 already and I want to buy a new Mac with PCIe only slots? Is there a crossgrade plan?
Yes, there is a crossgrade plan. If you already own a UAD-1, and purchase an Express PAK, you will receive a $100 voucher to use on the online store. If you purchase an Expert pack, you will receive a $250 voucher.

If you no longer want the PCI UAD-1 card, you can do one of two things: transfer all your authorizations to your new UAD-1e card, and then sell your UAD-1 as a Project PAK. Or, you can sell your UAD-1 with all it's authorizations and use the proceeds from that sale to buy plug-ins for your UAD-1e.



For example, let's say you own a Studio PAK, and purchase a UAD1e Express PAK. If you want to keep your authorizations and sell the UAD-1 card, you will need to follow these steps:

Register that card in the same group as your UAD-1, it will automatically become authorized for your Studio PAK plug-ins.
At this point, if you sell the UAD-1 card, it will be sold without any authorizations, and whoever buys it must be told that is has no authorizations.
Once you have a buyer, the buyer must make an account at my.uaudio.com.
As the seller, you must contact UA Tech Support and ask them to transfer the UAD-1 card into the buyer's account.
The UAD-1 is now registered to the buyer, it will show up like a Project PAK.
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[macmidi21]

Wow that's lame.

Same old chip on a new board. :roll:

Maybe Apple will release the new G6 as a G3 with a faster buss.
This way, \"in some cases you will be able to load more plug-ins.\"

 

[pouncey]

apparently it's hard to keep people happy around here.

 

[dix]

I'm having trouble figuring out the cross grade options.

I bought a project pack and subsequently several additional plugins. It sounds like for $499 I can move the same setup to the UAD-1e. Meaning I'll simply have to transfer my additionally purchased plugins. So with the two $100 vouchers (one that comes w the express pack and one that comes w the cross-grade) my total theoretical cost is $399 - minus what ever I'm able to get for my UAD-1 card ($100ish?). Does this sound correct, can anyone tell?

...anyway, a UA Q3 ship date makes me think we have until early next year to figure it out.

 

[Hisham Samawi]

Will using the pci e cards solve the problem with the dual 2.7 G5's? Or is the bus problem still an issue? Will the new intel mac towers make use of pci e? I think the dual 2.7 G5 has pci x slots... are those compatible with pci e?

 

[mikeyb]

watched the promo - \"uses a 1x PCIe\"!
well - er - power to the people?
Check out the focusrite liquid mix -
http://www.focusrite.com/productdetails ... 2&iRange=1
- I think I will be!

 

[Giles117 DP]

Oh screw it, lets just all buy pro tools.

LOL.

 

[Guest]

apparently it's hard to keep people happy around here.

I'll tell you why it's hard - because the solution Uaudio have come up with SUCKS. i have 3 cards and I don't want to buy a new computer in the next year so I don't have PCIx. do you think anyone is going to want my UAD pci in 2 years? No. so I will be stuck with 3, not 1, but 3 redundant cards in 2 years. Thanks a lot. If I want to use the plugs that I have already paid for I have to spend a small fortune on a new card to run them on. and do they expect me to buy new plugs anymore?? Although I love the look of the NEve stuff, I will not be buying anymore at all.

I, and many others, have been expecting NATIVE VERSIONS so when we buy a new very powerful G6 we can run the plug without the cards, or at least have the option. what about Native with Ilok?

also, UAD already made their profit on cards from me. When MOTU put out their new pcix cards they offered a CHEAP upgrade. with Uaudio all I get is a $100 voucher for plugs??? Which plugs can I buy with $100? what a £*$£*% joke. It is a new way for them to make money from me, offering me a 50% discount on some future plugin, and not any upgrade path at all. It is pathetic.

Basically, the more plugs I have bought and the more cards I have bught the more screwed I am because I will be force to buy a whole new set of cards, or just give up on Uaudio. THANKS A LOT. I have always found Uaudio to have great customer support, but this really pisses me off.

 

[Paul Lawley]

I just watched the promo video which ends with the words \"Don't just survive, evolve\".

Evolve into what? Well, apparently the UAD-1 has evolved into exactly the same thing as it was before.

The beginning of the video tells us that PCI-e offers us \"Far greater bandwidth, better performance and increased efficiency over PCI and Firewire\". How can you tell us this and then tell us \"in some cases you will be able to load more plug-ins.\"?

The Focusrite Liquid Mix gives us 32 instances of EQ and 32 instances of compression for 799 US. Not bad for the terribly inefficient Firewire bus. How many 1176LNs can I run on the UAD-1? Hmm. Let me see... Oh yes. Eight.

You could argue that the UAD-1 sounds better than the Liquid Mix, but, even if it does, it won't make a blind bit of difference to the amount of money you earn from your studio. If anything, having a fancy box with the name Focusrite on it might attract even more customers to you studio.

Do I sound jaded? Just a little. It feels like I've been waiting nearly a couple of years for a card that works reliably (or even at all) on the fastest Macs. I should have sold the card and bought more native plugins way back then rather than placing my faith in UA to come out with something that would blow us all away.

Oh. And, by the way. There is no upgrade option for existing customers. They get exactly the same deal as a brand new customer. 100 bucks voucher for plug-ins. What if you already own them all?, you're actually penalised for being an existing customer because you can't spend the voucher until a new plug-in comes out. then that 100 US will buy you about a third of the Neve plug-in... which you've probably already got from URS.

Digi may be expensive but at least they offer a proper hardware upgrade path.

Sorry for the rant. I am so disappointed.

 

[macaroni]

so in my opinion it's not the best solution. I need and want more dsp-power.

You want more DSP power - buy another card for less than $500 - pay as you go. Buy the power you want, card by card, for a very reasonable price.

I'll tell you why it's hard - because the solution Uaudio have come up with SUCKS. i have 3 cards and I don't want to buy a new computer in the next year so I don't have PCIx. do you think anyone is going to want my UAD pci in 2 years? No. so I will be stuck with 3, not 1, but 3 redundant cards in 2 years. Thanks a lot.

Any computer based gear you buy will have a limited life span - that's a reality you have to wake up to. Just look at ProTools - to keep up, you'd be spending tons of money at regular intervals, which almost all pro studios who use PT do.

UA doesn't have any obligation to you or anyone else to guarantee that you can sell your used gear in several years time. What planet do you live on? Who's going to give you big bucks for your computer in 2-3 years time? Nobody with a brain. So are you bitching at the computer maker too? Complaining is one thing, but making ridiculous statements is just nonsense.

I, and many others, have been expecting NATIVE VERSIONS so when we buy a new very powerful G6 we can run the plug without the cards, or at least have the option. what about Native with Ilok?

Who cares what 'you've' been expecting. UA doesn't revolve around your mind's fantasies, so stop complaining that they didn't fulfil 'your' speculation. That's so lame.

also, UAD already made their profit on cards from me. When MOTU put out their new pcix cards they offered a CHEAP upgrade. with Uaudio all I get is a $100 voucher for plugs??? Which plugs can I buy with $100? what a £*$£*% joke. It is a new way for them to make money from me, offering me a 50% discount on some future plugin, and not any upgrade path at all. It is pathetic.

No, you're pathetic, like the others who are moaning like you. They made their profit and you made music for years and years - that's the deal you bought into - nothing more - nothing less. No company is obligated to offer upgrades on hardware - you can't stay in business long with that model. I'm surprised PT can get away with it for so long.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but this is your first post here and you're bitching up a storm like so many other whiners here, who apparently know very little about business and R&D, etc. The UAD-1 is still a good and fair deal. Just because you and a bunch of others wanted something else from your imaginations, doesn't mean that all of a sudden the UAD-1 is useless or bad. Grow up!

Everybody bitches that they want more power on a single card - go start a company and do it yourself. That's not what UA did or wanted to do for their own reasons. I don't think it's so terrible. The main thing was to make it work on PCIe. They never, ever said they were going to make more powerful cards, so why is everyone dissappointed?

Everyone compares the new SSL Duende - well guess what - for $2,000 MSRP, you get 32 channels of 1 EQ and 1 Compressor. They are great, but it's only \"1\" of the SSL EQ & Compressor x 32.

For $500 x 4 = $2,000 MSRP you get 4 UAD-1 cards that will easily run 32 channels (or more) of a variety of classic, vintage EQs and Compressors. and you can buy new plugs as you wish for a very reasonable price. It's still a great deal by comparison.

It may not be as cheap as the Focusrite Liquid Channel, but let's wait to see how their modeling sounds and how well it holds up over the years, like the UAD-1 has.

Besides, after reading the UA press release, it appears that this new card is the first of a new series, which probably means they will have a more powerful card down the line.

 

[peter893]

I dont want a vouture for more UA Plugs ! I want to use the plugs i have in a new PCI-e mac !

I think its going to be very hard to resell my UAD-1 PCI card. its an out dated PCI format, really what the fuck kind of crossgrade/upgrade plan is that ! day after day im leaning away from UA.

Just waiting for some one to make an LA2A and get myself an audio unit plate140 emt emulation. BYeBYe UA.

Pete

 

[dix]

It's not THAT bad a cross-grade deal. About $250 for my setup I estimate assuming I'll need $200 worth of UA plugins in the future (i will).

Unless I'm misunderstanding you can move your plugins to a new card and get $200 worth of plugins ($100 for the crossgrade and $100 minimum that comes w every card) and sell your pci card for at least $50. Is that how everyone else reading it?

 

[macaroni]

It's not THAT bad a cross-grade deal. About $250 for my setup I estimate assuming I'll need $200 worth of UA plugins in the future (i will).

Unless I'm misunderstanding you can move your plugins to a new card and get $200 worth of plugins ($100 for the crossgrade and $100 minimum that comes w every card) and sell your pci card for at least $50. Is that how everyone else reading it?

That's my understanding too.

But I bet you can get more than $50 for a UAD-1 PCI card for a while. Not every computer has PCIe yet and it will take a while to become the all pervading standard. There's plenty of PCI users on a budget who would love more UAD-1 cards, IMO.

 

[Paul Lawley]

Sorry. I may have missed something. Where does it say you get an extra 100 for crossgrading?

 

[robi]

You can't read that exactly from the express pak but as you get a 250$ coupon with for an expert crossgrade it must bee additional otherwise you would get 500$ less than a new customer.

So you should get as a crossgrader 200$ for an express pak and 1000$ for an expert pak.

 

[Yiannis]

I think I will stay on my G4 1.25..with the 2 UAD's inside for a long time!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

When money allows it...a new G6 (if it will be any) and a new, maby ,firewire UAD \/ \/