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UAD-1 + G5 + more

monoman

New Member
Hello,

I have a G5 2X2.5. How do I know I have the AMD-8131 chipset? How do I check that?

If I have it, will I gain anything from buying another UAD-1? I have one right now, with all plugins on, and the plugin count is not that impressive, I guess...

Thanks,
Emil

PM 2X2.5/3.5GB RAM/OSX10.4.7/Logic Pro 7.2.2/UAD 4.4.0
 

Richard Hunter

Active Member
I have the same power mac as you, and yes you do have the 8131 chipset. But be strong! all hope is not lost. Adding a second card will indeed increase the number of plugs you can run. (I work at 44.1-48) I have two cards, in slots 2 and 3, and they work wonderfully, despite the 8131 restrictions. The 2.5ghz cpu is powerful enough that maxing out the UAD cards does not add considerable stress on the CPU at high buffer settings. At a buffer setting of 1024, in DP, I can run 14 instances of the 1176, which is about on par with macs that don't use the 8131 chipset. I can run 2 instances of the 33609, or load up the Neve on one card, and max out the other card with a bunch of plugs. I can run 6-7 instances of the neve 1073, 8 Plate 140's, 20 CS-1's, 12 Fairchilds...these are all on par with the non 8131. I can run only 32 stereo instances of the LA2A (compared to 36-38 with non 8131 macs), but adding a 33rd craps out the DSP. However, with 32 instances of the LA2A, i still have enough DSP to add 2-3 instances of the 1176LN! So just because you max out the card using a certain plug doesn't mean you can't fit more plugs on the cards (and in this case a plug even more DSP hungry than the LA2A, and, I NEVER need 32 LA2As!! I mean that's way too much color). And these numbers are for stereo versions...when mixing many of the tracks I record are mono.


On one project I was working on yesterday, I had 17 UAD plugs (mainly mono) (4 LA2A, 2 1176LN, 2 1073, 1 1073SE, 1 Plate 140, 1 33069SE, 1 Pultec Pro, 1 Fairchild, and some others...) and my system was humming at about 60% usage.


Make sure that in your UAD preference settings that \"Limit CPU\" is turned off. I get more mileage out of the cards this way. Also, although a hassle, if you have a big project w/ lots of plugs, you might get better results by \"assigning\" different plugs across the two cards manually. (This might not work, but i dont see why not!!!) In normal situations with multiple cards, any new instance of a plug will be automatically assigned to the card with the lowest amount of DSP usage. For example, if i have two cards, and card one is at 51% dsp, and card two at 49% dsp, when i load a new plug, it will be loaded on card two. But if you go into UAD meter, and disable card 2, you can max out the first card, then when you need more DSP, enable the 2nd card and start loading it up. I can't see this making a huge difference, but you might be able to squeeze one more instance this way.

For me, 2 cards was definitely the way to go. For bread and butter plugs, double the instance counts. For stuff like cambridge EQ, not quite double, but who needs 75 instances anyway??? Get yourself a good Native EQ, like DP's Masterworks EQ (sounds a LOT like the Cambridge).

W/ 2 UAD-1 cards, and a good assortment of Native plugs to fill in the holes, my G5 2.5ghz w/8131 chipset works wonders. If you need higher performance, there is always magma chassis...
 

monoman

New Member
Great!!!! that's the response I needed!!! :)

Do you have any advice to which slots to install the two cards in?

The one I have now is in slot 4.

What two slots are the best for this? I do not have any other cards, except the graphics card of course..
 

Richard Hunter

Active Member
no problem

I have them installed in slots 2 and 3. These 2 slots are on the same bus, while slot 4 has it's own dedicated bus (which is PCI-X 133mhz, faster than bus 2/3. But since the UAD-1 is a PCI card, it does not take advantage of the faster bus, it just clocks down to reg. PCI speeds). the reason i have it set up this way is in case i ever get a PCI-X sound card, i will want it on a bus separate from the UAD-1 cards. I don't think that placing them on different slots makes too much of a difference. Of course, if you have a NVIDIA 6800 grfx card, it blocks PCI slot 2, so you don't have a choice really.

good luck!
 

monoman

New Member
Thanks!

No, I have an ATI card.

So, I can leave my old card in slot 4 and place the new one in which ever I want?
 
Slight thead-jack while you're talking slots...slots count from bottom up? If so I have the graphics display card in the very bottom (1?), UAD-1 above that in 2 and a FW800 pci card in the top (4). Does that sound good to those who know?? Thanks!


G5 2 x 2.5
 

chlady

Active Member
G5 cpu and UAD

I have the same G5 2x 2.5 3.5 GB ram and 2 uad cards running DP4.61 and just tried running the neve 33609 demo and couldn't get it to load in a project . Now I know it's cpu heavy so I went and bypassed all the uad plugs being used . Got the uad performance meter down to 0% and I still got a message that not of resourses were available to load . Would load the SE but not the other. Finally loaded another project file of the same material with out any plugins and finally got the thing to load. My question is when the uad plugs are bypassed are they not using cpu? The meter shows zero but something was using them. Also when I tried to access the UAD prefs it was greyed out and wouldn't let me. Any idea what 's up with that?

thanks, Craig
 

Richard Hunter

Active Member
How did you go about bypassing them? Did you simply \"option-click\" in DP, or did you turn each plug off in their respective windows? I'm not sure if bypassing them in DP actually unloads them from the cards. Do you have AMD-8130 mode enabled? Turn off CPU limiting in the UAD prefs. Create a new mix in DP, with all inserts empty. Make sure buffer settings are at 1024, and try to load an instance of the 33609. I have two cards, and can get two instances running no prob.
 
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