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[Tony Ostinato]

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BorrelNote, I do not care really. UAD simulations are only simulations - they do not seem to invent anything really. Making buck on others' ideas.

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Someones having a bad day it seems. Has UA ever insulted Voxengo or whats the deal??

My daily recommendations of voxengo stop now.

 

[sniper]

>My daily recommendations of voxengo stop now.

so do mine!

wtf!
one would think that the \"anything but uad\" thread would be occupied every fortnight by someone who actually deserves it!
obviously not!

 

[Akis]

FWIW, here's the link to the original topic @ KvR.

I don't think Aleksey's opinion of UA degrades the quality of his plug-ins really. Furthermore, this is not an official UA forum; most people here seem to like his plugs, so I don't think it harms anybody when Aleksey posts his news.

I really can't understand what's wrong with someone having an opinion different than ours. Is any of you affiliated with UA? :wink:

 

[sniper]

nope, but i don't advertise my stuff here every once in a while either.

 

[bmanic]

Tony, you just had to start bad mouthing Aleksey now here too because of this? Well, just so that everybody gets the full story, here are the quotes. This is a copy of the latter part of my reply to Tony at KvR.

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From my experience tracks produced with them tend to sound brittle. I may be wrong, of course - but that was my thought. No flame about that here, please.

Btw. Aleksey also later did say this:

By the way, maybe I'm not so correct putting down UAD compressors - I've just made some comparisons based on their audio demos available on UAD website.

And later explained WHY he wants a discussion started (and again clarified that no flames intended).

Hmm.. Is 1176 an Universal Audio invention? Then I'm sorry. Anyway, my opinion on that whole story is that 'analog gear' hype goes too far. I do not have any 'wrong' attitude towards UAD, but in my opinion it's not a 'honest' competition. I know users do not care about competition - they care about sound. But when developers feel they can't compete with something (analog gear hype, for example), this may result in absense of new SOFTWARE plug-ins.

BorrelNote, can you send me a link or two to releases which were produced using UAD plug-ins?

Aleksey,

I can get into a lengthy debate with you on this, but I pass if you don't mind. It is your party in here and I don't wanna spoil it. Again, you produced a killer compressor and I wish you killer sales. I have nothing more then respect for what gave the audio community. I just gave my honest opinion what I think of Marquis compared to UAD compressors. That what forums are for right ? I can recommend the Marquis to anyone, especially for the price. Good luck !

BorrelNote, no problems really. Forums are for opinions and discussions. The only thing I wish the most are arguments or at least a visibility of arguments.

So anybody who can read and can keep their fanboy side under control clearly sees that all this is just opinions and a healthy discussion. Well, at least it was before Tony's world crashed. :roll:

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All this is really just a big :lol:

- bManic

 

[Arys Chien]

I went to read the original thread. I don't think Aleksey has said anything more or less than he should.

By the way, it makes me wanna check out the new Voxengo compressor mentioned there. I'll do my own A/B test and see how it compares to the UAD-1 compressor plug-ins.

 

[GP]

Why do people feel the need to makes comparisons on which one sounds better? How about which one sounds good on this program material or this guitar track or this drum buss, in this particular song. We got a lot of variety out there including all the hardware. It's better to learn which of those work best for YOU in different situations.

I read that thread also, and at first Aleksey made some comments that would lead you to beleive he was putting down the uad stuff as others chimed in and gave there opinions of the uad stuff. But really, I don't think that was his intention.

Anyways, that's just my take on it. Back to the mixdesk!

 

[mammath]

I've been following the thread in question since day 1 (on kvr) , along with that of Refined Audiometrics Laboratory's EQ. I honestly dont feel Aleksey meant any disrespect. If anything, he got a little passionate but that's only because users tend to be insatiable and compare products that are completely different.

I can see how a developer can get a bit rev'd up. You create a multi-pupose, or even a transparent mastering comp. (for all intent and purposes).......then out of nowhere somebody screams, \"......but it doesn't sound like an 1176, how can I get that sound?\".

I own a UAD-1 and absolutely LOVE IT TO DEATH. However, I get a bit upset when others aren't even slightly interested in what's bubbling out there. The card was developed out of that very concept. You know, so-and-so is doing it \"this way\".....so let's approach it from \"here\"! That kind of thinking is the reason we all congregate at this juncture.

Just a generalization and certainly nothing pointed at Tony. Again, I highly doubt any disrespect was intended. You'd have to read the thread in it's entirety to deduce the context in which those statements were made.

Anyway, on a lighter note, I'm diggin' the hell out of UA Webzine's Playback section! Wonderful move UA!!!

 

[Tony Ostinato]

ok, GUYS, try and grasp the point here,

its ok for USERS to slam other products, thats fine and expected.

its the total pinnacle of unprofessional behavior for a company or company representative to do this crap.

If you disagree then go out and try to find a similar example of UA slamming Voxengo.

can you imagine the commercials if companies started acting this way?

\"drink coke, pepsi tastes like crap\"

\"drive chevy, ford is gay\"

etc etc etc.


at least when they go into this smelly territory they have the good sense not to use actual names.

Other companies show professional restraint.

this isnt about us users, which some are having trouble comprehending, its about the behavior of companies and voxengo hit a new low (at least i cant remember any other company acting this way in recent history, maybe someone can refresh my memory).


the thing that these polarized guys here dont get, totally lost on them, is that id be as angry with UA if they pulled this crap and im glad they dont.

 

[daverich]

ok, GUYS, try and grasp the point here,

its ok for USERS to slam other products, thats fine and expected.

its the total pinnacle of unprofessional behavior for a company or company representative to do this crap.

If you disagree then go out and try to find a similar example of UA slamming Voxengo.

can you imagine the commercials if companies started acting this way?

"drink coke, pepsi tastes like crap"

"drive chevy, ford is gay"

etc etc etc.


at least when they go into this smelly territory they have the good sense not to use actual names.

Other companies show professional restraint.

this isnt about us users, which some are having trouble comprehending, its about the behavior of companies and voxengo hit a new low (at least i cant remember any other company acting this way in recent history, maybe someone can refresh my memory).


the thing that these polarized guys here dont get, totally lost on them, is that id be as angry with UA if they pulled this crap and im glad they dont.

Get a grip.

Kind regards

Dave Rich.

 

[olafmol]

ok, GUYS, try and grasp the point here,

its ok for USERS to slam other products, thats fine and expected.

its the total pinnacle of unprofessional behavior for a company or company representative to do this crap.

If you disagree then go out and try to find a similar example of UA slamming Voxengo.

can you imagine the commercials if companies started acting this way?

"drink coke, pepsi tastes like crap"

"drive chevy, ford is gay"

etc etc etc.


at least when they go into this smelly territory they have the good sense not to use actual names.

Other companies show professional restraint.

this isnt about us users, which some are having trouble comprehending, its about the behavior of companies and voxengo hit a new low (at least i cant remember any other company acting this way in recent history, maybe someone can refresh my memory).


the thing that these polarized guys here dont get, totally lost on them, is that id be as angry with UA if they pulled this crap and im glad they dont.

Get a grip.

Kind regards

Dave Rich.

amen

Olaf

 

[Tony Ostinato]

thats just sour grips.

 

[GP]

"drive chevy, ford is gay"quote]

Wrong, that's "drive chevy, ford's catch on fire"

 

[Mark Edmonds]

thats just sour grips.

LOL!

 

[Ashermusic]

I agree with Tony. It is indeed fine for users to dis certain products but for a developer to dis another developer's products in a forum that is largely devoted to its products is just unprofessional.

 

[bmanic]

I agree with Tony. It is indeed fine for users to dis certain products but for a developer to dis another developer's products in a forum that is largely devoted to its products is just unprofessional.

.. again, it's amazing how ignorant some are. You do know that KvR is not in any way affiliated with Voxengo and that the discussions about voxengo plugins constitute about 0.01% of the forum? :roll:

- bManic

 

[lazlominimart]

Aleksey is a one-man R&D, QA, marketing, support, and public relations machine.

He's likely to screw up now and then.

I can't imagine why anyone would single out this remark unless they felt Aleksey was in some way a threat to another, preferred product... hmmm...

 

[tkingen]

I tried the Marquis demo and have to say that it's a great piece of software. I chose UAD-1 over the other Voxengo offerings but the Marquis is interesting and different enough that it may be a handy alternative to go along with the UA flavor.

 

[olafmol]

Tony, you scare me

 

[Cabbage]

I don't see what the big deal is - the guy likes his plugs better than UAD. I don't have a problem with that. The quote sounds a bit aggressive out of context, but if you read the whole thing it is not that bad.

Petter