waves vs. the dongle

[Beat God]

we all know that the underpowered uad-1 cards r just a dongle. waves perhaps holds the record for most cracked plugs, but manage to land licenses with ssl, and now have copied 3 neve units. they have managed to stay afloat despite all the cracking, so why can't uad take their plugs native? or at least figure out a way to make the plugs run using the host processor, while using the card as a dongle, or the option to switch between both. i love ua but something has to give, and if they don't have something major to announce over the next few days then i'm slowly gonna have to remove my dependency away from the uad-1.

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=88476

 

[Guest]

thats because crack users dont have the money to buy software the use that is cracked, so the cracked copies can not affect the sales.

i would say 99% of the crack software users would not buy the software for lack of (funds/real interest) even if it were impossible to crack software.

 

[jwnc]

I have to disapgree with that.. I have seen cracks for products that were 50.00 or less. I do agree that some people would never buy a product because of the price.. but I have seen bigger studios with cracked software and they they make money of it.

Jason

 

[rydan]

Thing is, the companies loosing on cracks aren't the high end companies that have their products cracked and used by people who wouldn't buy their products if the crack wasn't available. The loosers are the companies that supply cheap alternatives for \"the real thing\"...

 

[F5D]

I have to disapgree with that.. I have seen cracks for products that were 50.00 or less. I do agree that some people would never buy a product because of the price.. but I have seen bigger studios with cracked software and they they make money of it.

Jason

I know many people who produce music with cracked software and some of them also have record contracts with labels. If you know somebody who uses logic 5.5.1 on pc, it's almost certain that it's cracked.

I am a mac user myself and it's not funny to watch my friends using cracked waves ssl bundles and urs plugins for free. I have to buy a dongle that I can even test the demos. :?

 

[Beat God]

the problem is that if the waves neve plugs r even close to the uad ones i think ua has a huge problem. waves has a huge advantage cause u can use them on any machine regardless of whether or not u have pci(e) slots. if waves had a pultec and 1176ln emu as good as ua i would sell my cards tomorrow. the next few days will be huge for ua. they better pull somethin out that hat.

 

[jwnc]

Its a shame that people use cracked software to make money using them. Its one thing to use one around the house just playing around but to be a serious musician and use cracked software is so bad. Then they complain that people are stealing there music online.. its a circle.

Your right the small guys get nailed alittle more then the big software companies. It hurts them all, I cant imagine what kinda of cool software all these companies could produce if no one cracked there software and most people bought it. They would have the money and r&d to really take certain things to the next level.

Jason

 

[BTLG]

yeah, It's amazing how many people don't want to pay for things. It's pretty disappointing.

Remember that every gig you do for free or cheap lowers the bar for serious musicians, engineers, and producers everywhere.

 

[Guest]

:roll:

 

[cAPSLOCK]

At least our dongle DOES something

On your computer, if you are using XP go to:
C:\\WINDOWS\\Help\\Tours\\WindowsMediaPlayer\\Audio\\Wav

Look at the metadata for any of the wave files in this directory. You can do this in Sound Forge, or you can just open the wav file up in a text editor and scroll down to the bottom... where you will see:

LISTB INFOICRD 2000-04-06 IENG Deepz0ne ISFT Sound Forge 4.5

\"Deepz0ne\" was one of the founding memvbers of 'Radium'. I don't have to tell you who Radium were do I?

So there is evidence of the use of a pirated version of Sound Forge 4.5 used to create some of the wave files on your Windows XP install disc. It would be sad if it werent so hillarious.

Although I have seen a few working guys use cracked software, for the most part the folks getting the cracked stuff are this wierd Gollum like addict who does nothing but burn CDs and DVDs of cracked stuff. They install thousands of programs/plugins etc and screw their computer up to a fair thee well.

So even if they ever actually get around to working on music they have more stuff than they know how to use, and it doesn't work quite right.

They can't ever spend time learning to use the nice EQ they have stolen because that have 200 of them and have fallen for the idea that some GUI or NAME is gonna make something sound better.

They hurt the industry (unless you are pace) and hurt the end user. The dongles and keys and pace and syncrosoft and insane copy protection schemes are put up with by the honest user while for the pirate they only delay a 'release' by a small amount of time.

Yes, in the end they hurt the small developer. I think if Aleksey had 50 bucks for every plugin he has had stolen from him we would all be shocked at how incredibly rich(er - you know he has made money with his excellent business model) he would be.

At least OUR dongle does something.

cAPS

 

[cAPSLOCK]

Its a shame that people use cracked software to make money using them. Its one thing to use one around the house just playing around but to be a serious musician and use cracked software is so bad. Then they complain that people are stealing there music online.. its a circle.

You know.. this is exactly the logic the piracy groups use to justify what they do. They hide behind the ideal of "If you use this, then buy it" BS.

I don't care if you are a million dollar studio or some guy with a radioshack mic with a 1/8 plug and a switch on it.

Stealing is stealing.

I see only ONE legitimate use of cracked software...

In the case you have bought some Waves bundle, or the SSL stuff and want to save yourself from installing the PACE bullschidt onyour machine then I think using cracked (albeit from a GOOD cracker haha) versions is justified.

Of course this is most likely also wrong since you violate the terms of the agreement.

This is why I avoid software from companies that impose insane copy protection on me. I would rather not be forced into that particular ethical delima. Ha.

Once again. Many people have been calling the UAD1 cards dongles recently. I get the comparison, and UA may have the ONLY widely used audio software in the history of the industry NOT to be cracked. Bully for them.

But as I said before... the UAD1 dongles I own (2 of them) run quite a bunch of LA2A and 1176 comressors, a plate verb, and several EQs without affecting my CPU saving it for the native stuff.

Not exactly a dongle only.

 

[Trebor Flow 2]

I have to disapgree with that.. I have seen cracks for products that were 50.00 or less. I do agree that some people would never buy a product because of the price.. but I have seen bigger studios with cracked software and they they make money of it.

Jason

I know many people who produce music with cracked software and some of them also have record contracts with labels. If you know somebody who uses logic 5.5.1 on pc, it's almost certain that it's cracked.

I am a mac user myself and it's not funny to watch my friends using cracked waves ssl bundles and urs plugins for free. I have to buy a dongle that I can even test the demos. :?

You cheeky s*d

I'm staring at my Emagic dongle for LOGIC 5.51 for PC as I type this post -

Don't generalize - it's dumb, rude and very uninformed - the biggest crack users I've ever met have been ProTools Mac studios who should know better.

Please avoid genrealized BS it usually offends somone, this time me!

Trebor

 

[Spacey]

I will admit a long time ago using a cracked version of cubase vst and sx 1.... but after I got used to using it, I went and bought Nuendo.

Not saying I was right, because I wasn't, butif it wasn't available on crack, I would have either stuck with Notator on the Atari ...don't laugh he he...or bought a much cheaper sequencer that I could have afforded at the time, which tbh was about £50.

In using the cracked SX 1, I realised how much I needed and liked it and figured the outlay was worthwhile. So because of that Steinberg got a loyal customer. There was an old rumour that steinberg themselves released the cracked Atari version of cubase to get a bigger market awarness.

I'm sure that most crack users don't make money using crack software and are mainly hoarders. The people that sell it on ebay should be shot.

The day UAD go native, will be the day a lot of peeps will use the crack I should imagine, but offloading some of the plugins to cpu would be a good thing as long as you had to have the dsp cards in as well

 

[MarkE]

Hi,

It doesn't matter how powerful PC's get, the UAD-1 still frees up your native CPU for other tasks. I'll always appriciate that fact however powerful my DAW gets. The dongle attributes of the card are, in my view, an added bonus. It's nice knowing that every user of UAD-1 plugs has paid for them.

Mark

 

[A Gruesome Discovery]

The UAD-1 isn't a dongle though; I keep hoping Ask The Doctors will explain this more thoroughly and eloquently than I am capable, but it has to do with the actual processing, and the code just won't run on native CPUs. \"Vector processing\" vs. \"scalar processing\", if you want to Google it. It's not a question of \"power\" or \"speed\", but instruction set and format, really. Using a chip specifically designed for sound & video, with its own instruction set, just seems to yield better results than plugins coded for the standard PC CPU, which is designed for spreadsheets and porn (at least as far as I'm concerned).
Do you think it's just a coincidence that DSP plugins sound better than almost anything native?

 

[Demetrious]

the biggest crack users I've ever met have been ProTools Mac studios who should know better.

:roll:

Did they crack or make the protools hardware too?

You must not know many people full stop.

I know people with pc's with the only thing on their system that has been bought is the sound card and the components that they built their pc with.

Crack plugs for Protools on OSX :?

I know of ONE M-powered user that has tried crack plug-ins on his OSX mac TWICE. He ended up having to format his mac system hard drive Twice

A studio that has the time to keep doing that, forget about making music the person might as well become technician

 

[TheHopiWay]

we all know that the underpowered uad-1 cards r just a dongle.......

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=88476

With all due respect this seems like a false premise to me.
As Gruesome noted it's a different coding platform.
Should UAD release native versions of their plugs they wouldn't be the same plugs, just similar ones with the same GUI.
Every platform has strengths and liabilities. Currently the only Liability to the UAD system that I see is somewhat limited track count. I prefer that over a change in sonic quality.

As an aside I wouldn't want to use any hardware or software path on too many tracks per project as they all leave an audio fingerprint that can make a clear imaging in a mix hard to achieve. I find it much easier to mix multiple vocal or guitar parts if the same path wasn't used on every track. Same goes with compression and EQ flavors at mix time.

Just my 2 cents and I realize opinions are like...........

 

[Trebor Flow 2]

the biggest crack users I've ever met have been ProTools Mac studios who should know better.

:roll:

Did they crack or make the protools hardware too?

You must not know many people full stop.

I know people with pc's with the only thing on their system that has been bought is the sound card and the components that they built their pc with.

Crack plugs for Protools on OSX :?

I know of ONE M-powered user that has tried crack plug-ins on his OSX mac TWICE. He ended up having to format his mac system hard drive Twice

A studio that has the time to keep doing that, forget about making music the person might as well become technician

MATE - if I were to name the MAIN LONDIN studios I've been in using cracked Pro Tools plugins and cracked software I'd be had up for liable (whilst they were quickly reinstalling their rigs that is )

Do YOU get out much into the REAL world.

Trebor

 

[Trebor Flow 2]

Cracking Sonalksis Plugins
Hi,

This is a public request to crackers.

You would expect that serious professionals would buy plugins... but actually all too many of them still use cracks so...
Our request is:

If you crack a Sonalksis plugin and release it, please badge it with your team logo on the front fascia.


We'll be very grateful to you if you do this for us.

Dave.
posted by Dave Sonalksis at 7:04 PM

Not wishing to fuel my own OCD - but I just spotted this posted by the Sonalksis developer - need I say more.

I've seen those Sonalksis cracks on as many Mac's as PC's, on as many Pro's computers as amatuers, so let's get into the real world when were talking about who does and doesn't use cracks coz the subject really pisses me off.

I can at least hold my hand up and say I've paid for ALL my software.

Trebor

 

[Beat God]

we all know that the underpowered uad-1 cards r just a dongle.......

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=88476

With all due respect this seems like a false premise to me.
As Gruesome noted it's a different coding platform.
Should UAD release native versions of their plugs they wouldn't be the same plugs, just similar ones with the same GUI.
Every platform has strengths and liabilities. Currently the only Liability to the UAD system that I see is somewhat limited track count. I prefer that over a change in sonic quality.

As an aside I wouldn't want to use any hardware or software path on too many tracks per project as they all leave an audio fingerprint that can make a clear imaging in a mix hard to achieve. I find it much easier to mix multiple vocal or guitar parts if the same path wasn't used on every track. Same goes with compression and EQ flavors at mix time.

Just my 2 cents and I realize opinions are like...........

come on that is a cop out. u seem to forget the uad plugs that were recoded to work on the protools platform. this can be recoded, code is just instructions to do things. to say that they can't recode their plugs like they have done in the past is to say that they aren't good programmers.