We really need Uad-2 already!

[seti808]

Hate to say it but I may have to jump ship and go with a
pro tools had rig!

I got projects that need to be done at 96k and are going to need a ton
of plugins and channels with low very latency operation.

I having a hard time waiting around for the uad-1 to give me the power I need to stay in the game.

Bring on the Uad-2 already!

No more new plugins we need more power captain the ships breaking apart.

 

[Eric Dahlberg]

Powercore is available now, with Duende & Liquid Mix coming around the corner. Not to knock on UA but these alternatives will probably be your only options for a while.

 

[Trebor Flow 2]

Seti808,

if you can afford a HD2/3 rig and all the plugs GO FOR IT -
you mixes will never sound better - don't let anyone tell you otherwise Pro Tools HD and the right plugs (AC1&2, Analog Channel, Sound Toys, Oxfrod Suite, Smack, Revibe, Altiverb 5 TDM, Impact) is wonderful combination - BUT bloody expensive.

I mix on native and HD and can't wait to get a HD rig for home use as well.

Best

Trebor

 

[seti808]

Thanks for the replies

I have been leaning towards pro tools Hd rig

3k for a mac
10 k for accel 2
2 k for some plugs

15 K and I would be rocking!

wait for uad-2 or sell all of my Pc investments and go with the proven flawless setup?

 

[him]

Take a look at this :- http://www.sydec.be/
Very powerful and expandable enginee, 0 latency with their dsp based(mixpander)plugins.......and you can still use your existing setup! :idea:

 

[Paul Woodlock]

Take a look at this :- http://www.sydec.be/
Very powerful and expandable enginee, 0 latency with their dsp based(mixpander)plugins.......and you can still use your existing setup! :idea:

I know people who use soundscape. Its a very very good system.

 

[Paul Woodlock]

Thanks for the replies

I have been leaning towards pro tools Hd rig

3k for a mac
10 k for accel 2
2 k for some plugs

15 K and I would be rocking!

wait for uad-2 or sell all of my Pc investments and go with the proven flawless setup?

flawless?

 

[Trebor Flow 2]

Nothing is flawless - but HD on a Mac is close enough as to not warrent debating it.

Seti808 if you can afford the $15K, go for it, but it is a lot of cash relatively speaking and buying into HD usually depends on whether you need a return on capital deployed.

Trebor

 

[daverich]

yeah uad-2 is hugely overdue.

I'm mixing native 'cos of the problems with sonar and lack of future direction from UA.

With cpus getting pretty damn meaty it won't be long before (If not already) the uad-1 is just a dongle for out-dated plugs.

Quad-core is on the horizon, so that means dual-quad core is also on the horizon. The need for dsp is becoming ever smaller.

Kind regards

Dave Rich

 

[Mark Edmonds]

With cpus getting pretty damn meaty it won't be long before (If not already) the uad-1 is just a dongle for out-dated plugs.

Whilst I agree with the need for a higher powered UAD, I don't see why the plugins are suddenly going to be out-dated. For something to become out-dated, it must be either superseded or incompatible. Given there are no direct native equivalents to many of the UAD plugins and for those using native VST hosts, compatibility isn't a problem, I don't see how this "out-dated" scenario is going to arise.

Mark

 

[Trebor Flow 2]

Well what does UA do?

Let's say dual quad core (8 cores) become std then do UA make there plugins native? (piracy!!) on the other hand the UAD-1 card is becoming a pain, you can only have 4 and the slot it goes in keeps changing (PCI, PCI-X, PCI-E what next?) so we get stuck with legacy cards/dongles.

I think UA are a very very clever company - I almost think they are the guys to go a step futher and create a hardware system (like PT HD) that covers plugins and a mix engine like TDM, how the hell they'd do it I don't know, but at least with PT HD you get a complete mix system and your not trying to bolt something onto something else that keeps changing every year.

I'm already facing throwing away my PoCo and UAD-1's next year because no bugger will want them, the same thing happend to my $2000 SCSI card and drives, ATA came along and they became wothless overnight.

Trebor

 

[Guest]

those are some scary thoughts about the UAD-1's becoming worthless. since i just bought mine and still have not payed back the money i borrowed to get them.

 

[Mark Edmonds]

Let's get realistic about the quad cores. Firstly, they aren't due to ship until next year. Secondly, it will take probably six months or so before a suitable selection of mobos are available and for system builders to iron out the good and the bad. Then the initial CPU prices are going to be sky-high so wait a while before they become affordable. Which OS are you going to use as well?

It will be a good 18 months before dual quad cores are suitable for affordable high powered DAW building.

Why is everyone running around like headless chickens saying the UAD-1 is about to be obsolete?

Mark

 

[marQs]

Why is everyone running around like headless chickens saying the UAD-1 is about to be obsolete?

Those will be the ones to sell me dozens of their used UAD-1s for cheap... and I'm gonna turn my single core system into a rocket DAW only by using \"outdated\" plugs :twisted:

Q

 

[GerhardS]

Take a look at this :- http://www.sydec.be/
Very powerful and expandable enginee, 0 latency with their dsp based(mixpander)plugins.......and you can still use your existing setup! :idea:

I'm a Soundscape user, very powerful and the most flexible mixer I know, rock stable, but as soon as you connect the Soundscape world to the PC world, the usual ASIO latency figures and problems apply.
Therefore, 0 latency is not really true.
br
Gerhard

 

[Trebor Flow 2]

Let's get realistic about the quad cores. Firstly, they aren't due to ship until next year. Secondly, it will take probably six months or so before a suitable selection of mobos are available and for system builders to iron out the good and the bad. Then the initial CPU prices are going to be sky-high so wait a while before they become affordable. Which OS are you going to use as well?

It will be a good 18 months before dual quad cores are suitable for affordable high powered DAW building.

Why is everyone running around like headless chickens saying the UAD-1 is about to be obsolete?

Mark

Mark I hope your right - but my gut feeling smells "SCSI" in the air.
After all I really want a new Macintelitosh to run Logic Pro7 so in effect it's already happended to me my PoCo and UAD-1's are useless!

As to there value ? I've seen PoCo MK1 going for $150 on ebay!

I never thought I'd say this but I wish UA would release an iloked version of there plugins for native use.

Trebor

 

[Eric Dahlberg]

There really needs to be a sticky regarding \"native vs. dsp\" because this same debate has crept up over & over again. As a Pulsar/Scope user, I'm still waiting for native plug-ins to catch up in quality to what's available for my Sharc-filled Pulsar 1's, one of which was purchased in 1998.

Futhermore, the more powerful CPU's have gotten over the years, the more power-hungry the plug-ins have gotten. This is why native plug-ins are getting up to the level of DSP-powered ones, of course, but I really can't see a dual-Quadcore system empowering anyone to run a significant number of Sonalksis or Tritone Digital plugs.

Speaking of power, how much does a single Accel 2 card have really? Is it even anywhere near what a 4 x UAD-1/4 x Powercore/2 x Duende/2 x Liquid Mix system would get you?

 

[Sixela]

Why is everyone running around like headless chickens saying the UAD-1 is about to be obsolete?

Plugs aren't obsolete, the card desperately is.

 

[him]

Take a look at this :- http://www.sydec.be/
Very powerful and expandable enginee, 0 latency with their dsp based(mixpander)plugins.......and you can still use your existing setup! :idea:

I'm a Soundscape user, very powerful and the most flexible mixer I know, rock stable, but as soon as you connect the Soundscape world to the PC world, the usual ASIO latency figures and problems apply.
Therefore, 0 latency is not really true.
br
Gerhard

Just want to bring out that PT is not the only choice even not going with UAD-1 or others...

 

[mightymike]

I agree with the comment about the Plugs being great but the card is getting long in the tooth...

Since alot of projects are jumping to 96K my powerful 4uad system has halved! Maybe I should learn to be more conservative and not over use the plugs but tha's my perogative...!

I'm still on a dual xeon 3.4 in the main room so I would like a pci-e version soon when I upgrade. The problem is see is the 4 card limitation. Allow me stack up a 10 cards in a magma then I would be happy right now! I never understood the 4 card limit but I'm not a programmer so won't pretend to...

I will def be getting the SSL duende and maybe the liquid mix with the Neve/uad combo in mind... I will not be getting them all! So if UA want my money I would like to see some sort of sign telling us some plans!

mm