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Webzine new metering in Plim and Space Echo

olafmol

Member
Dan Duskin said:
[quote="cane creek":29w16qgs]The video sounds good to me , however ive never had the pleasure of using the real thing.
I'm guessing you like reggae and/or weird effects... no?

I was looking forward to hearing great tape-like saturation and tasty "Les Paul" (the guitar player, not the guitar) style tape-delay... warm, smooth, rich, and silky. This demo sounds harsh, gritty, and seems to show off extreme settings with quick automation which makes it very difficult to hear the subtleties (if they exist). I hope they can show us a 2nd demo giving us examples of softer and tastier stuff... otherwise I can't judge the quality, all I can tell is that it is capable of extremes (that's cool and all, but it's rare I need to do weird stuff like that in a mix).[/quote:29w16qgs]

my experiences with tape echo's are that the distortion of the overdriven tape really mask all elements of tape-like saturation if there are there.... the main focus of a space echo was delay, not HQ recording..

Olaf
 

Tony Ostinato

Active Member
my personal think is that they are playin us.


you can have 3 heads goin at once, as i remember it, and they show only one active at any time and im still vague as to the relationship with the heads and the other settings.
 

Herbesh

Member
I hope they can show us a 2nd demo giving us examples of softer and tastier stuff... otherwise I can't judge the quality
There's normally a demo of all the UAD-1 plugs. You can ascertain the quality of the plugs for your individual use with the demo.

Herb out!
 

Sixela

Member
Something tells me that UA sound can't be THAT bad, the explanation I see is that they tweak a 8bit sample. :? Otherwise it has all the features of a killer plug. :p
 

speedbird

Member
ZerodB said:
Yep, after all the build-up and wait, it does sound like a.n.other tape delay to me :(
I guess than a 2" analog machine is just another cassette deck for you?
:)
 

olafmol

Member
Sixela said:
Something tells me that UA sound can't be THAT bad, the explanation I see is that they tweak a 8bit sample. :? Otherwise it has all the features of a killer plug. :p
people, this is the typical distorted feedbacky dub-sound you're hearing.

I have the feeling that a lot of people expect some kind of Fatso tape-saturation device because the word "tape" is used, but that's just not the case with a tape-echo

Olaf
 

mersisblue

Active Member
I say waitm for the demo and judge forselves
 

Mark Edmonds

Active Member
ZerodB said:
Yep, after all the build-up and wait, it does sound like a.n.other tape delay to me :(
What other tape delays are there????? :?

Do they model the mechanics of tape or just the sound?

I wasn't impressed with the CE-1 demos but changed my mind when I tried it. Best way to assess is the 14 day demo period, not an on-line video :)

Mark
 

otison

Member
I checked that video..

I know it's only a video hence it does not give the sound great justice, but I'm sorry to say I was not impressed at all. nor excited.

Now, it sounds good, but it does not sound as good as I expected. The repeating and decaying echoes on a real unit do really NOT sound like what is in this video. well at least to my ears.

I own and use a space echo on a regular basis (I have the later 555 and a good friend of mine has a pristine 201) and I'm sorry for being a geek here, but to me and based on what I could hear, it does not sound close enough to the real thing... Well at least, not close enough to replace the good old real tape echo in a dub production, you know, with all those classic long & repeating echo sounds.

now maybe for a guitar sound it'll do the trick. it depends what kind of stuff you're into, but I doubt that dub freaks like me will swap their space echoes for a UAD-1.

On a more positive note, one thing I liked was the couple of spring reverb hits (shame there was not more), and they sounded much more authentic than any other spring reverb recreations I came across in the past.

Now for that \"baoiiing\" bang-your-spring stormy sound... and the more refined \"plinkety-plonks\" that appear here and there in modern production (typically by driving a spring hard and/or with high pitched percussive sounds) I don't know if they modelled it but that'd be great if they did it.

but yes, like said before by others, I'll wait for the full 14 days demo to make a more accomplished judgement (which at the end of the day is, do I buy it, or not ?)
 

Felix

Member
ok the demo might be a bit wacky but its seems like its going to be a superb tool for TRIPPY music genres.

Dub-reggae, Trip-hop, Ambient, Prog rock, Psychedelic trance, etc...

come-on, at least we a one dedicated fx for the uad-1 cards that we trippy-music makers bought! all the rest is really good for standard music!

:D
 

sj_digriz

Member
Horse said:
Although this is an awesome effect, it is a terrible echo unit. I have yet to hear a plugin echo that sounds like an echo. Actually, %99 of the stomp box and rack mounts don't sound like an echo either. They all sound like digital repeaters.

For example, the original Ibanez AD-9 was great, the re-issue is pootm.

Most of the plug-ins listed in this thread are good for what they are, I still don't use a single one of them for "normal" echoes ie...guits, vox, bass, drums. I still go outboard.
 

cane creek

Established Member
To me the demo does exactly what i expected the 'space echo' to do , recreate that vibe you get from a 'lee scratch perry' track and the demo captured this very well.

so basically i was very impressed with the demo :D

God only knows what some of you were expecting ?

i own the PSP608 & PSP lexicon 42 , with these 2 plugins i simple cannot achieve the effect that the space echo is doing in the demo.

I make electronica experimental music and the space echo is certainly on my must have list.
 

otison

Member
cane creek said:
To me the demo does exactly what i expected the 'space echo' to do , recreate that vibe you get from a 'lee scratch perry' track and the demo captured this very well.

so basically i was very impressed with the demo :D

God only knows what some of you were expecting ?

i own the PSP608 & PSP lexicon 42 , with these 2 plugins i simple cannot achieve the effect that the space echo is doing in the demo.

I make electronica experimental music and the space echo is certainly on my must have list.
quite obviously you have never used a real space echo from Roland...

OK now maybe it's a bit early to argue over general quality of this plugin, based on just one little video. When using the demo plugin in a few weeks (hopefully it WILL be released soon), maybe my initial impressions will be confirmed, maybe they will change for better.

what I heard on the video sounds good to me, BUT it is still very far from sounding like a real 201 space echo...
 

Ashermusic

Active Member
otison said:
cane creek said:
To me the demo does exactly what i expected the 'space echo' to do , recreate that vibe you get from a 'lee scratch perry' track and the demo captured this very well.

so basically i was very impressed with the demo :D

God only knows what some of you were expecting ?

i own the PSP608 & PSP lexicon 42 , with these 2 plugins i simple cannot achieve the effect that the space echo is doing in the demo.

I make electronica experimental music and the space echo is certainly on my must have list.
quite obviously you have never used a real space echo from Roland...

OK now maybe it's a bit early to argue over general quality of this plugin, based on just one little video. When using the demo plugin in a few weeks (hopefully it WILL be released soon), maybe my initial impressions will be confirmed, maybe they will change for better.

what I heard on the video sounds good to me, BUT it is still very far from sounding like a real 201 space echo...
I heard it at NAMM. It sounds amazingly like the Space Echo I used to own.
 

coolout

Member
ZerodB said:
In what way is the demo any more impressive than the sound from, for example, arcDev Dubbox?

ZdB
I've be using the arcDev alot lately.

IMHO the difference is the same as using the UAD plate versus the plate samples with SIR.

You know...better sounding, more flexible, and more "real"...

The arcDev doen't have the different ages of tape, the spring reverb, or the splice function so it's able to do about half of what the UAD space echo does.

Then again the arcDev is FREE, but it only makes me want the a space echo even more.

My only beef is the price. $249 is way too high when i've seen real ones go on ebay for $250-350

Would it make sense for the NEVE plugs to cost almost the same as the real thing?
 

polygen

Active Member
250 does seem steep (the cheerleader crowd will lynch me for this statement, i know...\"hey you get xyz instances of ultra-super-precisely modelled stuff for abc dollars and just remeber what prices you pay for protools plugins blablabla, so you should be gratious to be allowed to pay only 250 bucks, maaaan ;) )....even if i am quite confident that the mp4 codec and the \"lets make a demo on time for the webzine\" situation didn't do the plug justice: it will definitely (or at leat \"most probably\") sound really good like all the other ua plug ins. but at the end of the day a delay is a delay. yes, a roland tape unit is a very *nice* delay ( i used to have an re201 and an re501, and think it's a pity they didn't model the 501 chorus echo, presumably because they want the people to still buy the chorus plugins)...but it still is a delay. i mean, come on...mastering eq for 150, delay unit for 250? and that's not even taking into the equation that tape modelling algos developed for the re201 plug can be slightly altered and used for other products (studer-style tape sat, anybody...? just a matter of different coefficients from now on). talk about well-payed r&d. of course it could well be that roland takes such a large chunk of the cake that this pricing is necessary, who knows?
 
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