What I Would Pay $200 For From UA? (New Years Wish)

[Suntower]

...that requires no fancy R&D, pesky marketing barrage or confusing coupons?


A 2 hr DVD Master Class---- MIXING AND MASTERING USING UAD-1 PLUGS.

Yeah, I've used these things for a while, but...

I always get the impression that there is a LOT more I could do with 'em if I had audio -examples- and demonstrations of techniques to achieve various effects.

I also have the intuition that there are many things one can do with them if one thinks 'outside the box'. I'm so used to using these things as 'virtual hardware' that I barely scratch the surface on what they can do.

I don't care about the host software. I just wanna watch someone flip dials and hear the ensuing magic.

Of course, I can almost see the eye-rolling already, but I think a lot of people would benefit from this---especially now that there are so many plugs.

---JC

 

[Akis]

You've already checked the videos @ the UA site, haven't you? Apparently, not exactly what you ask, but the most similar thing already available.

 

[Suntower]

Wow. They -are- good. Man, I'm so used to simply being -here- for all things UAD-1 I miss all sorts of stuff like that. I wish there was a way to be automagically notified when stuff like this gets posted.

But in any case, that isn't exactly what I was after. I hope for something like that Carlos Dye 'Mix It Like A Record' thing. But with UAD-1 stuff.

Anyhoo, THANKS. Totally cool.

---JC

 

[The Beatsmith]

pci-friggin-express...

...at least a comment

 

[Dave Bourke]

I agree with JC. I'm not a trained engineer, I'm a composer. I'm learning this stuff by trial and error (more error than trial, I'm afraid), so masterclasses on all these superb plug-ins would save me so much time, grief, and hair-loss that I'd gladly pay for them.

Spectrasonics did a great job like this for Stylus RMX (and it comes free with the program), plus they're adding more movie content on the website for download.

So what about it, UA?

Kind regards.

 

[Eric Dahlberg]

I hope for something like that Carlos Dye 'Mix It Like A Record' thing. But with UAD-1 stuff.

Why can't you use Carlos Dye's tutorial? I don't have it so I don't know if there's anything especially McDSP & Oxford specific, but it seems like any suggestion he makes regarding one plug-in should apply to any equivalent UAD-1 plug-in, no?

 

[grimleyj]

Brilliant idea!
I'd buy this over any other new plugin ... of course I'll probably buy every new plugin anyway!
-grimley

 

[Akis]

I hope for something like that Carlos Dye 'Mix It Like A Record' thing. But with UAD-1 stuff.

Why can't you use Carlos Dye's tutorial? I don't have it so I don't know if there's anything especially McDSP & Oxford specific, but it seems like any suggestion he makes regarding one plug-in should apply to any equivalent UAD-1 plug-in, no?

I agree with Eric on this one; compressors are compressors and EQ's are EQ's, after all. Sure, each one has its colour, but that's up to you to discover how to use it. You either have to tweak these knobs or get someone who does... :wink:

 

[Suntower]

I understand, but...

1. I would hope that they would have insights into various aspects of the plugs that are go beyond generic ideas.

2. I think there are a lot of questions/comments here about 'What is 'X' good for?' For example, why the mixer used the Fairchild vs. LA2A, or how to get good tones out of Nigel, or good uses for the Pultec mid-range, or how one can use those modulation controls in Plate 140, or why one needs all those filter curves in Cambridge and on and on and on...

3. Yeah, I could figure most of this stuff out on my own, and I realize that for many here that's half the fun, but for -me- time being money and all that, I think I would very much enjoy to open a bag of Tim's Salt And Vinegar Chips(tm) and Rochefort 10, sit my ass on the settee, watch the DVD, marvel at how much shit I don't know about this stuff, and then go try and imitate what the demonstrator does for myself.

3. I'd rather give my dough to UA than Carlos Dye.

Just my 2p

Cheers,

---JC

PS: Merry Christmas Y'All. This has been a really good year for me in music and THANKS to everyone for the great advice, especially Akis, Chris Milne and the UA crew.

I hope for something like that Carlos Dye 'Mix It Like A Record' thing. But with UAD-1 stuff.

Why can't you use Carlos Dye's tutorial? I don't have it so I don't know if there's anything especially McDSP & Oxford specific, but it seems like any suggestion he makes regarding one plug-in should apply to any equivalent UAD-1 plug-in, no?

 

[Eric Dahlberg]

1. I would hope that they would have insights into various aspects of the plugs that are go beyond generic ideas.

Again, I don't own the DVD so I don't know how specific his choices of plug-ins are. However, it seems reasonable to think that some of them may have similar qualities & functionality, given that UA makes PT plug-ins & BF emulated many of the same hardware pieces that UA did.

Use the standard Cambridge filters when you want to hear the filter less. Use the Bessel & Butterworth filters when you want to boost at the filter point. Don't use the last filter, it's garbage.

 

[brian]

Can I make you an animated GIF file with both some practical and unusual UAD tips & ideas for $100?

On a more serious note: if you have some kind of webspace available and non-copywrited track clips (at least 30 seconds, multitrack), I would be happy to try mixing them in several styles, using different plugins, with screenshots or settings listed along with the resulting WAV files... for the very reasonable price of $0.

Actually this might be an interesting idea for a new forum section here, however it would require a lot of free server space and bandwidth. :|

 

[Akis]

PS: Merry Christmas Y'All. This has been a really good year for me in music and THANKS to everyone for the great advice, especially Akis, Chris Milne and the UA crew.

My best wishes to you and everybody else in this forum!

 

[beubbo]

Use the standard Cambridge filters when you want to hear the filter less. Use the Bessel & Butterworth filters when you want to boost at the filter point. Don't use the last filter, it's garbage.

Hi Uncle E,

Thanks for sharing.

However, in regards of EQ filter types I've always wondered what are typical values/settings for filtering out/EQ'ing bass guitar tracks against kick drum tracks in terms of prefered frequency range and limit for each ? (depending on the frequency content of both tracks AND musical context, of course)

I mean, using Cambridge what are the most common values used for the lowest HP freq. AND typical filter type/slope with eventually Low Shelf and/or Bell & Q combination for each of these *VIT* (very important track) ?

I've heard that it's a good thing to cut everything specifically below 34 Hz, is it right or coud it be done safely with some kind of "trade of" a bit lower ?

And last, I've heard that Cambridge isn't at his best for EQ'ing High Freq (harsh...) but has very acceptable Mids and good Lows almost similar to PEq's lows, that I own too, right ?

Thanks again.

 

[ranchdip]

I agree with JC. I'm not a trained engineer, I'm a composer. I'm learning this stuff by trial and error (more error than trial, I'm afraid), so masterclasses on all these superb plug-ins would save me so much time, grief, and hair-loss that I'd gladly pay for them.

Spectrasonics did a great job like this for Stylus RMX (and it comes free with the program), plus they're adding more movie content on the website for download.

So what about it, UA?

Kind regards.

Yeah, I would love some macromedia or AVI tutorials showing us example sounds and setting using these plugs (ie Fairchild). The spectrasonics videos are awesome. A tutorial would be great for the new Multiband. How many folks here have used a Fairchild comp? You also have the newbies that don't even know how to work a compressor/EQ that could benifit from tutorials. UA would take a bite out of TC Elec. with a great support structure for their users in the form of high quality video tutorials.

 

[Dan Duskin]

#1: Cut Latency In Half (like the powercore)
#2: Chainer Plugin
#3: Noise Gate Plugin

 

[Cabbage]

Since UA are selling the plug-ins piece by piece, this would have a great marketing value as well!

Let's say you have bought the DVD to get suggestions on how to use the stuff you already have. Who will not watch the other parts of the DVD and feel an unresistable urge to buy licences for the other plug-ins as well? Just not possible!

One section in the DVD could be comparing, for example, the different compressors on the same material to demonstrate the differences. I think quite a few less experienced engineers with little time on their hands (like myself) would appreciate this.

I could spend $40 on this, given that it is reasonably extensive.

Petter

 

[Eric Dahlberg]

However, in regards of EQ filter types I've always wondered what are typical values/settings for filtering out/EQ'ing bass guitar tracks against kick drum tracks in terms of prefered frequency range and limit for each ? (depending on the frequency content of both tracks AND musical context, of course)

While there's no hard fast rule (as you said, it depends on the context), a good way to start is to decide whether you want the kick or the bass to handle the extreme lows & mix around that decision. On a lot of the mixes I personally reference to, the kick will occupy the lower & higher bass frequencies while the bass will be focused between them in the 100-200Hz range. Also, dip any live frequencies on the bass (or just turn down the filter resonance if you're using a synth) to feed a more consistent level to the compressor.

I've heard that it's a good thing to cut everything specifically below 34 Hz, is it right or coud it be done safely with some kind of "trade of" a bit lower ?

34Hz is pretty damn low. High passing with a 4-pole Buttersworth at 50Hz is about as low as I go & I'll often pass the bass with a Bessel 4 at 80Hz or higher. Most other elements get passed at 200Hz or higher with a Bessel 4 (that's my favorite curve, though I've also been using that new Sonalksis filter a lot lately, an extremely gentle curve).

And last, I've heard that Cambridge isn't at his best for EQ'ing High Freq (harsh...) but has very acceptable Mids and good Lows almost similar to PEq's lows, that I own too, right ?

Most digital EQ's are terrible for boosting any frequencies with, especially highs. The way around this is to simply cut all the other frequencies & raise the level of the channel.

 

[r3nø]

Chainer Plugin

indeed

 

[Akis]

Please, people, don't shout. We're not blind, not to mention that UA is very well aware of the chainer request and having the same people asking again and again ain't likely to change their minds. (OK, Dan? :wink: )

 

[Tarekith]

I'd like to see more vintage delays modelled personally, especially now that we have tempo sync.

I'd like to see Nigel replaced by a device that allows you to chain modelled \"stompboxes\". Model the components, and let us pick which ones we want and in what order. Nothing fancy even, thus the stompbox reference.