Interesting choice. Feels like unison ideas have run dry. Guitar amps are now pedals and preamps are pretty much fully covered. I was hoping to see some updates to the tape echos to make them unison and update them to the pedal's quality but this is starting to feel unlikely. Don't get my wrong, I'm glad UAD is doing well as a business but would love to see more unison options.
Where is UA headed?
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)Sam Guaiana
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I mean.. I guess this release just is not for me, but still.
If we think about hardware world, if you have both options available, would you rather use these:
...or would you like to use these?
I know which option I would choose.
And I choose the same option in the plugin world, too.
But again, I guess this release just isn't for me. After all, whatever works best for you, go for it!
If we think about hardware world, if you have both options available, would you rather use these:
...or would you like to use these?
I know which option I would choose.
And I choose the same option in the plugin world, too.
But again, I guess this release just isn't for me. After all, whatever works best for you, go for it!
And the hardware LA610 and hardware 6176 are not that highly regarded to begin with. A lot of people think they sound not so great.
Exactly! Haha
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MrMusic55
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I guess some people do think an 1176 and 610-B don’t sound great, but I would question the experience and intelligence of that person in regards to music production/mixing.
I use a 6176 for vocals and guitars and they are golden. I think Adele has the 6176 in her vocal chain as well which has been rumored.
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Sam Guaiana
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I wouldn’t take anyone who says the 6176 isn’t highly regarded seriously. It’s literally a high quality 610 and the current iteration of the 1176 in a single package with no compromise. The LA-610, even with its shortcomings and not really sounding like an LA2A, was still a very effective and high quality piece of gear. The MK1 was my first channel strip
Oh, I'm not necessarily trying to get into whether or not those negative opinions on the 6176 and LA610 are right or wrong. I was simply pointing out that there ARE quite a few negative opinions floating around out there on these two boxes, the LA610, in particular, and these are negative opinions from people who ARE absolutely pros. So horses for courses and all of that. I've not used the 6176 hardware, but I have used the LA610 and was never wowed by it.
In any case, I made mention of this in my previous post because, IF the 1176 and LA2A plugins are basically 1:1 with what was cobbled together in the 6176 plugin, it's entirely possible that the 6176 plugin sounds BETTER than the 6176 hardware or LA-610 hardware. The complaints about both of these hardware pieces have always largely centered around the compressor section not sounding like it's standalone cousin. That, and headroom issues.
Still not gonna buy the 6176 plugin though. I'm all squared away with the individual plugins (610, 1176, and LA2A), not to mention plenty of hardware preamps and comps that I prefer to use anyway.
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MrMusic55
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Nope. You seem to be a bit misinformed on the 6176. The plugin is not anywhere close to being better than the hardware (even the standalone 1176 plugins are nowhere close to the 1176 in the 6176 hardware, and the 610 in the 6176 is miles better than the plugin especially when pushed hard).
Not sure where you are getting your information but the 6176 has a fully featured 1176LN inside. It's not dumbed down with less features. It does what a full 1176 is supposed to do with no compromise in sound quality. I can't speak to the LA channel strip but I see it used a lot in studios especially for modern urban and R&B records.
If the plugin sounded better than my hardware 6176 it would be on reverb later today LOL but that is just not the case.
It's not just about what is or isn't fully featured. It's about the tone as well. And I never claimed that the comp section on the 6176 was less fully featured. Not sure where you're getting that.
I'll do you one better. I don't think any of the modern hardware 1176s that UA currently sells, and this would include the 76 section in the hardware 6176 (since you claim that it's 1:1 the same as standalone) sound as good as what is available from Audioscape, Serpent, or Stam. I have all three. And the UAD 1176 plugins don't sound as good as ANY 1176 hardware that I've ever owned or used, so we're in agreement at least on that.
Audioscape/Serpent/Stam > UA hardware 1176/6176 > UA plugin 1176.
But we all have our opinions, and I see no need to go further down this road with you. Later.
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MrMusic55
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Definitely always about the tone! And when you said "it's entirely possible that the 6176 plugin sounds BETTER than the 6176 hardware or LA-610 hardware." I was confused as well. Thinking maybe you thought the 6176 had a somewhat dumbed down 1176 inside. No worries!
Audioscape and Serpent make some great hardware, have not tried any Stam products though. I don't doubt they sound great, but the 1176 in the 6176 sounds great as well and does what you would expect a real 1176 to do. Take care mate!
MrMusic55
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Haha that sounds like a conspiracy theory maybe 5 years ago, but unfortunately that is the case with this "new" release.
Would have much preferred to see UA doe something like Waves Studiorack, where you can load all UA plugins and make your own chains.
Bear-Faced Cow
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No, it's not the case.
I just finished doing a test recording with the plug-in (using the LA-2A) in the Unison slot and then matched the settings with a 610-B in the unison slot feeding an LA-2A, both using my acoustic guitar and a condenser mic and there were sonic differences, which really isn't surprising since the LA-2A and 610B are coupled differently.
And just make sure it wasn't a halo effect, I set up a similar test feeding an oscillator tone into parallel channels and could see some harmonic differences. I also tested them individually and by themselves, the waveforms look identical. It's when they are together in the channel strip that there is a difference.
As for the sound, I can say that I preferred the tone on channel strip over the individual as the coupling seems to give it a slightly rounder tone. Not that one was good or bad.
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Sam Guaiana
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From very heavy use and experience, the 6176 is worlds better than any 1176 plugin. Every single 1176 plugin has the worst ability to attack the first transient and spikes in the silliest of ways. None of them saturate a signal consistently, and all of them feel a touch plastic toward the real thing. The closest being Slate’s 76s that are locked away in silly VMR.
No single 1176 plugin sounds better than even the cheapest 1176 clone, and I am a huge fan of plugins. A real 76 has been the hardest thing to replace in my chain
I have quite a few hardware 1176s for this very same reason. They are superior to the 1176 plugins. I don't care what UA says to the contrary about their 1176 plugins.
I have no dog in the fight over whether or not the 76 section in the hardware 6176 sounds as good as or identical to a standalone hardware 1176, having not used a hardware 6176 myself. I was simply speculating that, IF the 76 section in the hardware 6176 sounds as meh as I've heard it described, maybe the 76 section in the 6176 plugin might actually stand a chance of sounding better by comparison, given that the algo used for the 76 section in the 6176 plugin apparently comes directly from the standalone 1176 plugin, and isn't based on the purportedly compromised version of the 76 section in the 6176. For whatever that's worth.
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I have a 1974 rev F 1176 here. Like this one:
Quite pricey and handles one channel at a time. You do the math.
I use it alongside our plugins to amazing effect.
Ain't life grand?!!
Quite pricey and handles one channel at a time. You do the math.
I use it alongside our plugins to amazing effect.
Ain't life grand?!!
I just have to do my own math, which is why I haven't and won't purchase modern UA hardware 1176s. I spent way less $ getting hardware 1176s from Audioscape, Serpent and Stam, with the added bonus that they also sound better than the modern UA hardware 1176s too!
Audioscape/Serpent/Stam 1176s > UA hardware 1176 > UA plugin 1176
Audioscape/Serpent/Stam 1176s > UA hardware 1176 > UA plugin 1176
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