Who Uses K -System Metering?

[Trebor Flow 2]

Hi gang

I was thinking of adopting K-14 to mix my next album - anyone else adopting this system and what do you think of it?
Cheers

Trebor

 

[Plec]

I do... It's the best

 

[GerhardS]

I use it since a long time.
Don' t make the mistake and use it only for metering. You have also to setup your monitor calibration in order to use the real advantages of the K-System.

I makes everything a lot easier !!!
br
Gerhard

 

[Tarekith]

I've used it for a long time too, definitely a good move to make.

 

[Trebor Flow 2]

Yeah it's great - I have calibrated my monitors to 79dB pink noise for K-14 and I really love it.

DYNAMICS are back in my mixes.

Trebor

 

[billybk1]

Yeah it's great - I have calibrated my monitors to 79dB pink noise for K-14 and I really love it.
Trebor

I recently did the same thing. Using the PL K-14 preset, I did as Bob Katz suggested and used 83 dB pink noise, as my reference, for calibrating my monitoring system. I must be getting old, cause even 83dB's is loud, for listening to, over an extended period of time. Maybe I should back it down a few dB's, as well.

 

[Trebor Flow 2]

He actually recommends 79dB for K-14 and 85dB for K-20 if I understand his white paper correctly.

Trebor

 

[billybk1]

He actually recommends 79dB for K-14 and 85dB for K-20 if I understand his white paper correctly.

Hmmm.......I don't why I was thinking it was 83db. I'll recalibrate to 79dB, my ears will thank me later.

 

[HotRats]

Now I'm using K-System too during mixing (k-14 most of the times)
but without monitor calibration.

 

[hollybaba]

how to use K-14

please can u tell us how to use K-14 metring and how to calibrate
to 79 db
thanx

 

[Dave Bourke]

Don't you need some fancy bit of external kit to do this?

:?

Kind regards.

 

[anha]

http://www.digido.com/portal/pmodule_id ... age_id=59/

Read and then go to downloads and get the \"-20 dBFS RMS pink noise 44.1\" and a SPL meter.

For K14 add 6dB to the soundfile so that is will be at 0dB on a K14 scale and adjust monitors one at a time to read 83dB SPL with C-weight and Slow on a SPL meter at listening spot.

 

[hollybaba]

thanx

i ll do that today :lol:
thanx for help
do i have to cut my sub or leave it with each satellite ?

 

[Trebor Flow 2]

Interesting ahna I seem to have his old white paper where he duiscusses 79dB and 85dB NOW on his website is something newer and updated.

Thanks

Trebor

 

[eugenecanady]

k-system

ok guys...

so ive got the k-14 system going and ive read the Bob Katz book but ive got a couple questions regarding real world usage with WaveLab and the Precision limiter. im referring to actual songs here, not the pink noise file.

a. how often should i be going into the red, and how far?
b. to help ensure my dynamics what should my max, minimum, and average RMS's be?
c. am i looking for a certian ratio between my RMS levels?

and finally...

d. what levels should my mixes be (coming from cubase) set at?

ive read so many differing opions on this. i know a good deal has to do with what the music is but any General Information would help here. thanks in advance.

 

[pbissell]

Re: k-system

ok guys...

a. how often should i be going into the red, and how far?
b. to help ensure my dynamics what should my max, minimum, and average RMS's be?
c. am i looking for a certian ratio between my RMS levels?

Well, this is the real meat isn't it? The nice thing about the K-System is that it levels the playback issues - Now you can worry that the details will actually transfer.
I am currently trying to find the widest dynamic range that I feel is right - and that depends on the style of the music. Even down to the 'sub genres' - Judas Priest would have a different range than AC/DC. But if I had to give generic numbers for a generic light-pop with vocals, -5/3dB (with vocal in) -12/9dB (no vocals)for first verse, 0/+3dB First Chorus, hitting +5 in the big moments of the last Chorus or climax.


Paul

 

[Plec]

IMHO, use the K-Meter as an indicator to where you are, but always make the final decisions by ear. pbissel has a good point.

 

[morpheuzrecords]

I have already used the K-14 metering in inspector XL and the precison limiter but I just now ordered my SPL meter. I will be doing some mixes next week already on calibrated monitors so I will post experience later

 

[morpheuzrecords]

So I finally received my SPL meter and calibrated my monitor before I was about to starting to mix a new project.

The first thing I have noticed is that before I was pushing the faders up and now I am turning them down 8)

At the and of the day when I had finished the first song I realized that there wasn't a signle peak on my mixbuss for the whole day. the mix peaks somewhere -9 dbfs it has dynamics and huge headroom.

I was actually quite impressed with the results

 

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