Why is everyone so hype3d about the Tape-Echo?

[Henchman]

I mean seriuosly. How many people here have actually used one extensively?
I used ine years ago, and I wonder if alot of people want it because of the \"just want to ahe\" vS \"really need\" factor. I think there's probably quiet a few folks here that think it's some kind of holy grail for delay. And I personnally don't think the original Space Echo is anyhting special.

The Roland chorsu and Dimension D were definitely great releases. Especially the Chorus finally was a great sounding chorus, and delivered liek no other chorus I have yet used.

But to me, a delay is a delay. Put a top rolloff of on it, and feed it back into itelf, and you'll get the same effect as a Space echo. I can get thsat effect from any delay.

 

[Dan Duskin]

you're mostly right... in the mix it's pretty much the same thing. but get ready for a bunch of slams

i suppose the exception would be a space echo with an old warped tape being used on a solo instrument part (where nothing else in the mix can cover up the warble sounds of the tape).

holy grail.... no.
cool toy and huge advancement in modeling technology.... yes.

 

[Akis]

I'm pretty much with Dan here. I'm very happy with the free Kjaerhus Delay, but maybe the Space Echo is a cool toy indeed. Actually, if it models spring reverb, which I think it does, then yes, it'll be a nice toy to have.

 

[Tony Ostinato]

people of course said the same about the dd and ce-1.


i had the echoplex back in the early 70's, thats where it started for me.

its kinda like saying \"whats the big deal about pink floyd\" or whatever band you wanna name, i saw the space echo on various tv shows a lot recently.


it starts with unmatchable tone, you can try rolling off digital delays but it wont give you the same tone.

but then you go into regeneration effects, and i think a lot of these are still mistaken for big synthesisers.

I think its safe to trust me that this is gonna be a really big deal.

 

[will]

i dont know much about the roland space echo but if its anything like the echo you get of a good reel to reel, the digital delays cant touch it. i mean where talking about tape and digital delays just dont have that sound. i really hope the space echo can come close to a good tape echo.

 

[olafmol]

are you talking about the space echo plugin that was to be released in 2005? :twisted:

 

[Tony Ostinato]

Yes, we are. I'm totally ok with them taking longer on it, after all its deep physical modeling and that always takes longer than anyone imagines.

 

[olafmol]

Yes, we are. I'm totally ok with them taking longer on it, after all its deep physical modeling and that always takes longer than anyone imagines.

would be nice if UAD would update us about the new release schedule..

 

[Spacey]

I'd have to go along with Tony on this one (yeah don't look so shocked lol ).... yes you can get any digital echo to sound like it, but then you can get any digit vsti analog emulation to sound like an analog synth.....

But they are not the same, the bad quality tape warbling, the crap sound to noise ratio and the same sound being put through the same analog circuitry over and over losing quality and adding distortion just sounds great.

In this age of clean digital music, we still find ourselves playing the old stuff... well I do. It's because all those analog randmness that everyone used to bitch about before digital became good...was what made recordings sound real.

I love piano's, but I hate clean piano's recorded on tracks... they sound wrong....... I think sticking 2 mics the other end of the room and 2 close up and recording to a cassette 4 track sounds much better. Why?.... because it sounds worse it somehow sounds more real.

 

[billybk1]

....the bad quality tape warbling, the crap sound to noise ratio and the same sound being put through the same analog circuitry over and over losing quality and adding distortion just sounds great.

I love it! :lol: I think UA should use this same verbage for it's "Space Echo" ad copy or at the very least, as a customer quote

 

[Dan Duskin]

like i said... the great thing about the space-echo (i hope) is the modeling knowledge gained from trying to recreate such a complex device. i think this could help ua learn a great deal more and give us MUCH better models of new and great thnigs in the future.

as for the need for a space echo... for me, i'll buy it, but it's not the most needed thing here... for some others, they will love it more than me. but again, i'm all for the work going into making it and the knoledge that will come from it... it's a great thing!

 

[Ben Logan]

When UA came out with the 1176LN and the LA2A, I thought, \"Awesome - they've beamed some of my most coveted (and totally unaffordable for me) gear into the computer!\" Then I heard them, and was impressed that they actually sounded better than all the other compressors I'd fiddled with (my favorite being the PSP mixpack stuff up to then).

A cool echo is more in the \"neat toy\" dept. than I great sounding EQ or compressor. But - isn't recording largely about FUN? I'm not a pro - just a home hobbyist, but I'll bet they're are a lot of users like me. Half of the guitar tools in my arsenal are in the same boat: did I really NEED a fender champ when I've already got a deluxe reverb. No. But, I'm glad I was able to scoop up that champ.

I second Dan's point too: the leap in modeling technology has me hoping next release will be a great tape sim.

 

[Eric Dahlberg]

As someone who uses an RE-501 & an RE-555, in addition to having once owned an RE-150 that was taken back by the police (don't buy vintage tape echos from crack heads, kids!), I'll submit that they sound completely different from any digital emulation I've tried so far, including the Line 6 echos & especially that POS Kjaerhus thing. Even the brucket brigade analog delays sound a lot better than the digital emulations. The only good emulation I've used is the Hughes & Kettner Replex which uses a tube to warm up the delays.

The difference between the real things & the emulations may not be a show stopper in a mix but it does affect how you perform. I certainly play a lot more Eric Johnson/Wind-Cries-Mary-Hendrix-type riffs when using the Space Echos or Replex than when using the Line 6 DL4 & Replexes are sought after enough that I'm certainly not the only one feeling this way. Also, anyone using high feedback will definitely appreciate the difference, even in a mix.

btw, none of the Space Echos I've owned are even the good ones. The electronics in the RE-201 are said to sound better still.

 

[Akis]

The Kjaerhus Classic Delay may not sound like the devices you listed and like (why should it?), but it's certainly a good delay IMO; definitely not a POS.

 

[yaknski]

Hard for me to get excited about a new V4.x when V4.0/4.1 gives me great plugins along with err=21 messages at any moments notice. I hope as much work is being put into solving the err=21 issue I'm experiencing as is going into new UAD-1 versions/plugins (doubtful). Frustrating to upgrade my whole system from a less stable system only to become just as unstable as newer versions of Sonar and UAD-1 are released.

That aside, it will be interesting to see the space echo and if tape wrinkling/age/condition emulations are obtained. I remember the coolest thing about the original was how it dynamically reacted with a guitar, if they can emulate that...wow! There's a difference between the plugin delays I've used and a real space echo or echoplex (noise issues aside) on a guitar from a guitarist's perspective. I'm imagining the Space Echo will be another nice tool on the plugin list and not the holy grail. Hopefully I'll be able to use it without re-booting every 1-2 hours.

 

[Joey123]

I wonder if anyone's going to use it not as a delay so much as the best analog tape \"sim\" around?

I've never heard any emulation that sounds like analog tape, Magneto has that crunchy distortion, Voxengo AnalogFlux is too dark and claustrophobic, other tape sims are just a high rolloff and some crappy phase distortion etc. Tape sims are close these days, IMO only due to impulses like the old Beamsonic ones, but there is a time and place for a very true emulation of not only tape's sound and saturation, but both.

Tape does to audio what that special lens did for Cybill Shepherd - it wasn't accurate but a lot of things are best enhanced in some non-obvious way.

My 2 cents and I haven't bought one yet lol

 

[stonefree]

I have the Line 6 Echo Pro and I think most of the models are a lot better than any delay plug ins I've heard. As some have noted, the Space Echo particularly shines as a creative and performance device that goes way beyond what your everyday vanilla delay plugs sound like. The Echo Pro is also very good at this. I know UA will take delay to an even higher level so I'm really looking forward to it.

 

[Revelation]

Steinberg already has a tape delay, however when I went to find it in Cubase 3, and version 2, but can't find it. Anybody know where it is? It started with a K.. Kar something with tape rollers and everything. You could change the character of the tape and speed. I used it a couple of times but found myself preferring the Kjaerhaudio classic delay which is a free plug in instead. They have a higher end delay as well, but never found the need for it.

I don't think people wanted a tape to add color when they first came out with the Roland Space Echo but it did. So now people want that color added to their signal again. We have so many plug ins now that take away from a bright open sound that appeal to our ears since it is easier to listen to in the high end. Even Cubase has the Magneto plug in which can do something.

 

[Akis]

ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/Download/Legacy_Plugins

 

[Joey123]

Revelation,
When you're tracking, and there's the lsit of plugins, Magneto is in to folder called Dynamics. Actually it isn't that bad, but I've heard impulses that are a lot better, again such as Beamsonics


-edited- Karlette? I think that older renegade plugin was something like that