jnTracks
Venerated Member
Looking for advise about something that I fear will be hard to explain, but I'll do my best:
I sometimes get songs from a band that weren't played to a tempo/metronome, and don't have intentional tempo changes (though that's not relevant for the question). For the example we'll say the tempo doesn't fluctuate by great amounts, but there are a few places in the song that I'd like touch up and it would be much easier/better to lock the song into a grid to facilitate these edits.
(note that the question isn't about the merits of having the song on the grid)
So I tap out a tempo to find what they are closest to. It's around 102 in this song.
Most of the song is varying from 102 to 104, with a few shorter sections that are pretty exactly 100. So I choose to edit the song into 102 grid.
I slide the clips so beat 1 of the verse is on the grid line, and then work backwards through the intro and then forwards through the rest of the song adding warp markers about every 4 bars getting the corse tempo correct and then I can fill in the rest of the bars after and then get more fine-tuned for the few parts I hear fall apart for a few beats, which I'll suspend the group for to line up all instruments to each other. And so on.
Now here's the question:
As I go through the song, each bar alignment is a really small shift, but since Luna doesn't allow the end of the clip to move as I'm adding the warps throughout, the small time stretches after the play head accumulate. As I get to the last 10 or 14 bars of the song they are very compressed since I've made the song a few % slower overall. If I continue out to the end, I'll end up with a massive time stretch on the last beat and the ring out of cymbals and stuff could be stretched or compressed to like half or double of it's original length in order to fit within the original bounds of the clip! None of the moves I made within the song are very big and they all sound great, all I need is the end of the clip to be able to move back and forth to accommodate the other moves.
Back in Pro Tools I would do this regularly and it would let the ends of the clips stretch with the small moves I was making unless I add a warp marker at the end of the clip. And even then I could delete that end warp marker as I got toward the end of the song, allowing the clips to stretch out or compress in based on the accumulated warps already placed, and then work from there to finish the song.
So how would I do this in Luna? What can I do to allow the clips to extend or contract as I place and lock in my warp points?
I've tried "warp trim" on the clip ends using control+drag on the clip edge, but that stretches the entire clip and doesn't respect the warp markers that have already been placed. So if I do that now to extend the end it moves all my previously set warp markers off the grid, so I would have to go back through them all.
I'm really hoping there's some quick hotkey or setting for this that I've just missed in all my documentation reading.
The one answer I'm imagining now is I could split the clips at this point in the song and then "warp trim" the newly created clips at the end so it will not move the already done part of the song. That's probably what I'm going to try right now since I want to get on with this mix, but figured I'd post about it and see what comes back.
Thanks!!
I sometimes get songs from a band that weren't played to a tempo/metronome, and don't have intentional tempo changes (though that's not relevant for the question). For the example we'll say the tempo doesn't fluctuate by great amounts, but there are a few places in the song that I'd like touch up and it would be much easier/better to lock the song into a grid to facilitate these edits.
(note that the question isn't about the merits of having the song on the grid)
So I tap out a tempo to find what they are closest to. It's around 102 in this song.
Most of the song is varying from 102 to 104, with a few shorter sections that are pretty exactly 100. So I choose to edit the song into 102 grid.
I slide the clips so beat 1 of the verse is on the grid line, and then work backwards through the intro and then forwards through the rest of the song adding warp markers about every 4 bars getting the corse tempo correct and then I can fill in the rest of the bars after and then get more fine-tuned for the few parts I hear fall apart for a few beats, which I'll suspend the group for to line up all instruments to each other. And so on.
Now here's the question:
As I go through the song, each bar alignment is a really small shift, but since Luna doesn't allow the end of the clip to move as I'm adding the warps throughout, the small time stretches after the play head accumulate. As I get to the last 10 or 14 bars of the song they are very compressed since I've made the song a few % slower overall. If I continue out to the end, I'll end up with a massive time stretch on the last beat and the ring out of cymbals and stuff could be stretched or compressed to like half or double of it's original length in order to fit within the original bounds of the clip! None of the moves I made within the song are very big and they all sound great, all I need is the end of the clip to be able to move back and forth to accommodate the other moves.
Back in Pro Tools I would do this regularly and it would let the ends of the clips stretch with the small moves I was making unless I add a warp marker at the end of the clip. And even then I could delete that end warp marker as I got toward the end of the song, allowing the clips to stretch out or compress in based on the accumulated warps already placed, and then work from there to finish the song.
So how would I do this in Luna? What can I do to allow the clips to extend or contract as I place and lock in my warp points?
I've tried "warp trim" on the clip ends using control+drag on the clip edge, but that stretches the entire clip and doesn't respect the warp markers that have already been placed. So if I do that now to extend the end it moves all my previously set warp markers off the grid, so I would have to go back through them all.
I'm really hoping there's some quick hotkey or setting for this that I've just missed in all my documentation reading.
The one answer I'm imagining now is I could split the clips at this point in the song and then "warp trim" the newly created clips at the end so it will not move the already done part of the song. That's probably what I'm going to try right now since I want to get on with this mix, but figured I'd post about it and see what comes back.
Thanks!!